Burn a Qu'ran Day...

[MorningGlory]

I'm afraid of all the surprise revenge attacks against defenceless Christian communities in India and Nigeria and Sudan and Malaysia and Pakistan and Somalia and Ethiopia and ..... (because it WILL happen as a result of the burning of the Qur'an by a Christian church in the U.S.A who have the U.S police to rely on for their protection).

That's a good point, lekh. I hadn't thought of that but then....that's the reason I posted this topic. To read valid opinions and different viewpoints than my own on this subject. We don't grow if we're stuck in our own heads.

[~candice~]

Actually the best way to burn a Qur'an a day is to save one Muslim a day. One saved Muslim = 1 useless Qur'an.

Spot on!

[lekh l'kha]

I'm afraid of all the surprise revenge attacks against defenceless Christian communities in India and Nigeria and Sudan and Malaysia and Pakistan and Somalia and Ethiopia and ..... (because it WILL happen as a result of the burning of the Qur'an by a Christian church in the U.S.A who have the U.S police to rely on for their protection).

That's a good point, lekh. I hadn't thought of that but then....that's the reason I posted this topic. To read valid opinions and different viewpoints than my own on this subject. We don't grow if we're stuck in our own heads.

That's okay, MG. Though I really understand and empathise with the sentiments that have produced this "burn a Qur'an day", I don't think it's even right and good to do it - let alone "wise". The gospel wasn't spread throughout the world to our pagan forefathers in the Roman Empire by publically burning our forefathers Agnostic Greek and Roman philosophy books or by tearing down their altars and idols - it spread because of the power behind the message of truth and the faithfulness and love of those who spread it. It was the later Roman Catholic government in Rome which oversaw the tearing down of pagan altars and the destruction of gnostic literature. The backlash against Christianity and ALL Christians even in a post-Christian U.S.A will be absolutely massive. Expect laws to be passed against the freedom of Christians in the U.S if this church is allowed by Christians to go ahead with their plans. Maybe it's just the excuse that many in the Liberal Fraternity in the U.S are waiting for in order to force the Whitehouse to pass certain anti-Christian laws. I really hope that there is such a strong public Christian protest against this planned protest that the protest doesn't go ahead, because if it does, I believe there will be consequences - far-reaching consequences - in the U.S and against defenceless Christian communities all over the world.

Lekh.

[Fez]

Whew.... I have just read through the whole thread.

Anyone understand where it is going, or what it has proved?

Please enlighten me.....

[Guest shiloh357]

Not according to Nebula's criteria. She said "The Koran says that "God has no son." So how can you say they worship the same God as us?"

The Talmud says that God has no son, so by the above criteria the Jews do not believe in the same God as Christians.

Would you be able to pull up the exact quote, and where in the Talmud it says that?

Thanks

Neb, come on. You know that Jews deny that Christ is the son of God.

The point is, we would not burn the Talmud. Neither should we hold book burnings for the Qu'ran.

Don't dodge the question KatyAnn. Can you demonstrate that the Talmud denies that God has a son? Just produce the text for review.

[Guest shiloh357]

I really do not want to derail this thread. I bring up the Talmud simply to make a point.

Yeah, you never miss a chance on this board to run down Jews.

Anyone with knowledge of the Talmud and the Jewish religion knows that they reject Christ as the messiah and claim that God has no son as he is the one and only God.

Which is not the same thing as saying God has no son. Please provide that quote for review. I have a copy of the entire Babylonian Talmud, so tell me where I can find this claim.

We are not talking about a son in the human sense, but in the divine sense as in "Christ is the son of God."

We understand that Jews reject Jesus as God's Son. But, that is really beside the point. You have made a claim about the Talmud and you are being asked to support that claim.

I think you know that too Neb. For further info I suggest you join a Jewish message board. I belong to one and they are willing to answer any questions one has.

So you are not going to back up your assertion??? Are you unable to provide the requested citation from the Talmud?

[wyguy]

Books are ideas put on paper. People read those ideas, believe them, and literally, decide their fate.

the ideas are there if they are on paper or not.

And frankly, I see nothing wrong with trying to stop the message of the enemy.

because stopping the message of the enemy does not bring one to Christ, only spreading the message of Christ can do that.

There is an example in the Bible of people who got saved and then burned their wicked books.

"And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver." (Acts 19:19)

So I think it's totally biblical to destroy the message as well...

This passage says that those who practiced magic burned their OWN books after they repented. It does not say that the believers burned the books of others in a demonstration to root out evil.

The point is, they had enough sense to know those books were evil and needed to be burned....

[lekh l'kha]

Oh yeah,,,if the church hosts a Qu'ran burning and then burns those books in the streets, there may be consequences.

Obviously if a cartoon upsets those folks then burning their holy book is gonna cause trouble.

It's too bad Christians aren't so zealous to shut down the blasphemies spoken against Jesus Christ

What... you're saying we Christians must act/react and act in the same way that Muslims act/react just because we have the freedom to do so?

CNN: 20Sept, 2010.

The international fallout of the public burning of the Qur'an by Christians in the U.S on Sept 11 it seems, is far from over. Over ten churches in Nigeria were attacked and set alight yesterday by Muslim mobs during a national prayer-rally in Nigeria's predominantly Muslim North. The churches were surrounded by people with machetes and knives chanting "death to the blasphemers" and all who tried to escape were butchered. Meanwhile the Pope has strongly criticised Evangelical Christianity and condemned the burning of the Qur'an, saying that those who deliberately and knowingly provoke others to wrath in the name of Christ do not, and never have known Christ. Islamic interest groups in the U.S along with many other liberal groups have stepped up their campaign to have a moratorium on what exactly freedom of expression and freedom of religion means in the U.S.A. The Rabbinic Council and Jewish Board of Deputies has also come out in condemnation of the burning of the Qur'an, citing a recent upsurge in anti-Israeli and antisemitic sentiment because many Muslims, they say, have linked the burning of the Qur'an by Christians to Christian-Zionist sentiments in the Evangelical churches.... 100 U.N member states are set to meet tomorrow in the U.N Headquarters in New York in order to hold discussions on the duty of states with regard to peaceful co-existence between religious groups....

Okay, I'm not a journalist, but yes, there is likely to be "consequences". And the end result will be LESS freedom for the gospel to go out into the world, not more freedom. But aside from that, that just isn't what our Lord would have us do, IMO. If He never taught His apostles to tear down pagan altars and burn pagan books THEN, He's not teaching His disciples to do it NOW.

[MorningGlory]

MG...I apologize for being off topic. As I said, I am only using the Talmudic example to make a point. I know that no Christian would consider burning the Holy books of the Jews...even if they contradict our own beliefs. So logic follows that burning books simply because they do not agree with our point of view is invalid. I appreciate that you are open to differing opinions and are willing to listen to differing points of view.

Hey, if we didn't go off topic at some point we'd think we are some other site! You're right though; I can't think of any Christian that would ever think of burning the Talmud. There is a difference between the Talmud (legitimate but incomplete) and the Qu'ran, which is a total fraud. As I said before, I'm no longer sure that burning Qu'rans would be effective. I don't worry about the consequences, except maybe for others around the world, but why do something that isn't going to pay off? I don't want them to burn in hell, I've always said that, and I'm sure there has to be a more effective way of getting their attention.

[MorningGlory]

Whew.... I have just read through the whole thread.

Anyone understand where it is going, or what it has proved?

Please enlighten me.....

It doesn't have to go anywhere or prove anything. MG wanted people to voice their opinion, and we have.

Right, KatyAnn. It's a very sensitive subject and I want to see how people feel about it. People from everywhere, not just our own country. I'm seeing, so far, that the consensus is overwhelmingly against doing what this church aims to do.