Burn a Qu'ran Day...

[MorningGlory]

It's not MY Burn a Qu'ran Day and it IS all about being afraid. I don't fear them; they could only kill my body.

maybe the service members in places like Iraq and Afganistan are not so quick to want to die as you seem to be.

play with your own life, it is not your right nor your place to play with others

Go back and read post #60 before you post your drivel.

[MorningGlory]

Hi....Allah is the Muslim translation for God, just as Yahweh is the Jewish term for God,

First, I hope you read what Ayin Jade said about this. Who and what they claim "God" to be is not who and what the Bible claims God to be.

The Koran says that "God has no son." So how can you say they worship the same God as us?

The Jews and their Talmud also say that God has no son. We would not burn the Talmud would we?

No because the Jews believe in the same God as Christians.

[ladypeartree]

[MorningGlory]

Hi....Allah is the Muslim translation for God, just as Yahweh is the Jewish term for God,

First, I hope you read what Ayin Jade said about this. Who and what they claim "God" to be is not who and what the Bible claims God to be.

The Koran says that "God has no son." So how can you say they worship the same God as us?

The Jews and their Talmud also say that God has no son. We would not burn the Talmud would we?

No because the Jews believe in the same God as Christians.

Not according to Nebula's criteria. She said "The Koran says that "God has no son." So how can you say they worship the same God as us?"

The Talmud says that God has no son, so by the above criteria the Jews do not believe in the same God as Christians.

I can't speak for Neb but I DO know the Jews worship the God of Abraham, as we do. They just haven't figured out yet that the Messiah came and they missed him. Muslims worship 'allah', a reincarnation of the ancient moon god Aliyah who was a reincarnation of an even more ancient god known as Ba'al.

[nebula]

Not according to Nebula's criteria. She said "The Koran says that "God has no son." So how can you say they worship the same God as us?"

The Talmud says that God has no son, so by the above criteria the Jews do not believe in the same God as Christians.

Would you be able to pull up the exact quote, and where in the Talmud it says that?

Thanks

[nebula]

If you are fully aware of the translation why say "allah is a synonym for satan."?

D-9

Did you read Ayin Jade's post, comparing the Allah of the Muslims and the God of the Bible?

Since we haven't actually invaded Al-Qaeda, only countries,

It's kind-of difficult to go after Al-Qaeda without having to deal with the countries they are planted in.

Last I checked, the US is not at war with Afghanistan, nor has it ever been.

I'm saying that it is my opinion that the crusades, a Christian endeavor, started Islam down the path of violence against the west.

That's not how Spanish history reads.

And the crusades aren't what led to he First Barbary War.

I'd be interested in knowing what your Muslim friends have to say about these?

Even in Islamic doctrine, from the Qur'an itself, designates Christianity and Judaism as "people of the book" and should not be harmed, rather tolerated

It also in another place refers to us as "infidels" and that infidels should be killed.

- which is why I think Christians could live in Islamic states without harm before the crusades, all based on teachings from the Qur'an.

Were they living freely, or living under submission?

We could sift through the Bible and find some pretty gruesome passages and stories. Just take the famous story in Joshua 10 when He asks God to make the Sun stand still for 3 days for the sole purpose of killing everyone who was against Israel. From that story alone we could conclude, from the Bible, that everyone who is against Christianity should be unmercifully killed. Sound familiar to radical Islamic thinking?

The Canaanites were the only people the Lord commanded Israel to wipe out completely. Really, it seems to me you are understanding how to defend Islam more than you are understanding your own Bible.

Ever see the movie The Bridge on the River Kwai? Did you see how Lt. Col Nicholson lost his focus?

What is understood as the highest moral authority has publicly condemned Bin Laden and his 'jihad' (based off of the Qur'an), and has condemned all who follow him as well as urge others to not follow him.

You are the first source I've ever heard this news from.

Would you mind pulling up a reference somewhere about this please? Thanks!

[MorningGlory]

If you are fully aware of the translation why say "allah is a synonym for satan."?

Because they're interchangeable.

I thought you more or less implied it when you said "If they didn't want to be invaded and eliminated they shouldn't have attacked our country." I apologize for the misunderstanding. Since we haven't actually invaded Al-Qaeda, only countries, I thought you meant we should eliminate all Muslims (in the middle east). It wouldn't be the first time I heard such a proposal.

I never imply anything; I say exactly what I mean.

Something must have changed in the Islamic mind set, and I don't think it was the words of the Qur'an. Even in Islamic doctrine, from the Qur'an itself, designates Christianity and Judaism as "people of the book" and should not be harmed, rather tolerated - which is why I think Christians could live in Islamic states without harm before the crusades, all based on teachings from the Qur'an.

Have you actually read the Qu'ran? I have, at least most of it. I will not quote passages from their 'Holy Book' on this site but I WILL post some links when I have more time. If you haven't read it, you're not qualified to tell anyone what that book contains.

We could sift through the Bible and find some pretty gruesome passages and stories. Just take the famous story in Joshua 10 when He asks God to make the Sun stand still for 3 days for the sole purpose of killing everyone who was against Israel. From that story alone we could conclude, from the Bible, that everyone who is against Christianity should be unmercifully killed. Sound familiar to radical Islamic thinking?

Yes, it does. God wanted His people to be victorious, it's a complicated thing. The thing is, we've moved on; they're still slogging away in the 7th century, stoning people and keeping women in servitude. There can be no parallels drawn between the Bible and the Qu'ran. Not by anyone who has read both.

I'm sorry, but all Muslims and religious academics disagree with you there.

I'll just bet they do. It's not relevant.

What is understood as the highest moral authority has publicly condemned Bin Laden and his 'jihad' (based off of the Qur'an), and has condemned all who follow him as well as urge others to not follow him.

Moral authority comes from God; they don't worship Him or even believe in Him, meaning the true God. Once again......there IS no moral authority in islam.

[nebula]

About the First Barbary War:

In France, Jefferson asked Tripoli's ambassador what right Tripoli had to extort money and take slaves. According to Jefferson, the ambassador answered that such a right was founded on the Laws of the Prophet: that it was written in the Koran that all nations who did not recognize their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found; and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Muslim slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

Source

Trying to find a direct quote

As Jefferson later reported to the State Department and Congress, "The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,994562-2,00.html#ixzz0vSYL9wms

[Botz]

One of the points being made is that concerning the word 'Allah'...however much any one destests it, or tries to negate it by using a small 'a', it does not get away from the fact that the word in modern usage today is not a synonym for Satan, but simply translates as G-d.

Now before I get my head ripped off from some of the more vehement members of Worthy, let me qualify it by saying that the 'Allah' of the Qur'an is not the G-d of the Bible, and those who worship the Allah of the Qur'an and how he has been revealed, do not know the L-rd.

However in many instances when a Moslem comes to know Jesus/Isa as their Saviour...they no longer believe in the god revealed in the pages of the Qur'an, but they 'know' the G-d whom is revealed in the pages of the Bible...BUT...in arabic, purely from translation of the word, G-d may be referred to as Allah.

We have been through this several times before in other posts, but the penny/cent seems to take a long time to drop on occassion. If a Mormon comes to know Jesus as Saviour...it is a different Jesus from the one he used to think he knew about, however, he still uses the word Jesus, or the word G-d, even though before....what he understood by these terms, was vastly different from what he knows now.

Unfortunately there is sometimes found such hatred for Islam within Christian circles (often evidenced by outright ignorance that wants to have its own way) that it goes beyond the claims of hating the sin, but loving the sinner, and promotes a harsh, brash, uncaring, defiant type of Christianity that is barely indistinguishable from the more extreme elements of those in other camps.

[Matthitjah]

One of the points being made is that concerning the word 'Allah'...however much any one destests it, or tries to negate it by using a small 'a', it does not get away from the fact that the word in modern usage today is not a synonym for Satan, but simply translates as G-d.

Now before I get my head ripped off from some of the more vehement members of Worthy, let me qualify it by saying that the 'Allah' of the Qur'an is not the G-d of the Bible, and those who worship the Allah of the Qur'an and how he has been revealed, do not know the L-rd.

However in many instances when a Moslem comes to know Jesus/Isa as their Saviour...they no longer believe in the god revealed in the pages of the Qur'an, but they 'know' the G-d whom is revealed in the pages of the Bible...BUT...in arabic, purely from translation of the word, G-d may be referred to as Allah.

We have been through this several times before in other posts, but the penny/cent seems to take a long time to drop on occassion. If a Mormon comes to know Jesus as Saviour...it is a different Jesus from the one he used to think he knew about, however, he still uses the word Jesus, or the word G-d, even though before....what he understood by these terms, was vastly different from what he knows now.

Unfortunately there is sometimes found such hatred for Islam within Christian circles (often evidenced by outright ignorance that wants to have its own way) that it goes beyond the claims of hating the sin, but loving the sinner, and promotes a harsh, brash, uncaring, defiant type of Christianity that is barely indistinguishable from the more extreme elements of those in other camps.

Bravo brother and you've said something very poignant

Often times we are not listening to each other and this is what's wrong with Worthy of late. Rather than listen and rationally respond we are rushing forward with our opinion and not taking the time to reflect on what the other person has actually said.

It's sad really because that is not the foundation of this Ministry and not what it has been in the past.

The Foundation is the edification of the believer and not the edification of the individual believers opinion.

The greater Glory of God is the objective as we are all built up into the head enabling us to Stand.

peace,

dave