Restoring Planet Earth

[OneLight]

OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

it seems that some who cannot win a debate will not engage in debate

Notice the cultist manner? If you don't agree, then you do not have an open mind to accept (just take it all in no matter if it is right or wrong) nor do you have logic. A very passive aggressive way of putting down those who do not agree with him.

[nebula]

You and Jack are using different translations.

All the better to look back to what the Greek said, which is "to-receive", G1209. When one word can change the meaning that much, there will be false teachings spoken.

Did you look up every word to make sure it matched with the Greek when you submitted your studies on John?

[Joshua-777]

OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

Mr Jack made <--- His position clear, Though the bible doesn't really support it. Our own logic is not of a Spiritual nature, we can only understand the Spiritual through the Holy Spirit, we need to solely rest on our Lords guidance through His precious Spirit.

[Joshua-777]

Perhaps you can get us started?

Sure ...

Your quote started out as follows:

Jesus said to them (the Disciples),

[Rick-Parker]

OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

My concerns are with those who read it here. Mr. Kelly will not engage in any debate or rebuttal, so going to his site to discuss the matter is a waste of time, by his own words. I am curious as to why you, since you believe in what he says, will not rebut what I say? Anyone can say anything ... it is the proof that people seek, not the word of man.

You ask me to get it started ... then you drop the ball when Jack does not speak for you? Tell me, what is your take on my statement against his theory beside you agree with Jack? Can you back Jack's statement up with scripture to show where he is right and I am wrong?

That's not my job. Mr. Kelley provided the scriptures that he used to come to the conclusions that he did. Mr. Kelley doesn't speak for me, he speaks for himself. If you disagree with what he has to say, than that is fine. There are just as many, if not more, people who agree with him as there are who agree with you. We are all adults here (well most of us are) and people are able to make up their own mind. It's just like threads about the Rapture. There are pros and cons that are posted, people make up their own minds as to which position they take based upon what they believe the Holy Spirit leads them to. So your "concern" about those who read what I post here is commendable, and I can see your point. But that doesn't change the fact that there are positions put forward that are opposed to what you believe. And posting lengthy sections of Scripture doesn't change the fact that Mr. Kelley interpreted the Scripture differently than you, nor does it intimidate me into challenging your interpretations. If you know anything about my postings here, you know that I am not opposed to vigorous debate, but it is not my job to defend Mr. Kelley's position. I'm sure, in fact I have read them, that if you disagree with Mr. Kelley and desire to have him clarify and/or justify his beliefs and opinions, that he will indeed engage with you. He just doesn't get into debates. As he said in his response to me (and I forwarded your entire response to him), you are free to agree or disagree with him.

So, I'm not dropping any ball, I tried to facilitate a discussion between you and Mr. Kelley when I asked you to "get it started." Perhaps if you went to GraceThruFaith and tell Mr. Kelley that you believe that he is taking Scripture out of context and that they don't mean what he says they mean that you will get a response from him. Going there is never a waste of time, IMO

[Rick-Parker]

OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

it seems that some who cannot win a debate will not engage in debate

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[Axxman]

I stopped reading Mr Jack's diatribe when he started propping up silliness like the mythical "water vapor canopy"...lol. If you believe in that domino, pretty much everything after that will fall too.

[Rick-Parker]

Then by all means disagree.

[OneLight]

OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

My concerns are with those who read it here. Mr. Kelly will not engage in any debate or rebuttal, so going to his site to discuss the matter is a waste of time, by his own words. I am curious as to why you, since you believe in what he says, will not rebut what I say? Anyone can say anything ... it is the proof that people seek, not the word of man.

You ask me to get it started ... then you drop the ball when Jack does not speak for you? Tell me, what is your take on my statement against his theory beside you agree with Jack? Can you back Jack's statement up with scripture to show where he is right and I am wrong?

That's not my job. Mr. Kelley provided the scriptures that he used to come to the conclusions that he did. Mr. Kelley doesn't speak for me, he speaks for himself. If you disagree with what he has to say, than that is fine. There are just as many, if not more, people who agree with him as there are who agree with you. We are all adults here (well most of us are) and people are able to make up their own mind. It's just like threads about the Rapture. There are pros and cons that are posted, people make up their own minds as to which position they take based upon what they believe the Holy Spirit leads them to. So your "concern" about those who read what I post here is commendable, and I can see your point. But that doesn't change the fact that there are positions put forward that are opposed to what you believe. And posting lengthy sections of Scripture doesn't change the fact that Mr. Kelley interpreted the Scripture differently than you, nor does it intimidate me into challenging your interpretations. If you know anything about my postings here, you know that I am not opposed to vigorous debate, but it is not my job to defend Mr. Kelley's position. I'm sure, in fact I have read them, that if you disagree with Mr. Kelley and desire to have him clarify and/or justify his beliefs and opinions, that he will indeed engage with you. He just doesn't get into debates. As he said in his response to me (and I forwarded your entire response to him), you are free to agree or disagree with him.

So, I'm not dropping any ball, I tried to facilitate a discussion between you and Mr. Kelley when I asked you to "get it started." Perhaps if you went to GraceThruFaith and tell Mr. Kelley that you believe that he is taking Scripture out of context and that they don't mean what he says they mean that you will get a response from him. Going there is never a waste of time, IMO

You bring us something to post on a discussion board, stating that you also believe in what Jack says. You then refuse to give an answer for what you believe. Then you say that posting a lot of scripture does not change a thing while saying that one is to believe what the Holy Spirit tells them. Brother, the Holy Spirit does not teach one person one thing on a subject, then teach another something different on the same subject. He also will bring a lot of scripture to show the truth. What I brought to the discussion is what scripture says, not what a man says. Tell me, do you believe that what Jack says is to be held above what scripture says? His teachings are wrong and until you place everything he teaches beside scripture itself and do some comparing, you will not see the difference, but blindly follow Jack because you like what he is saying.

2 Timothy 4:1-5

Preach the Word

I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

[Rick-Parker]

That's not my job.

Oh, but it is....

1 Thessalonians 5:21-"test everything; hold fast to what is good;"

Acts 17:10,11 - "That very night the believers sent Paul and Silas off to Beroea; and when they arrived, they went to the Jewish synagogue.These Jews were more receptive than those in Thessalonica, for they welcomed the message very eagerly and examined the scriptures every day to see whether these things were so."

I would appreciate it if you would do a fact check on Kelly's articles before you post them, otherwise it just seems like blind adoration.

I don't blindly follow Mr. Kelley. I though the article was interesting, so I posted it. When I said I agreed with him, I guess I should have been more clear. I agree with the majority of what Mr. Kelley says, most of which I don't post. I don't base my positions on what Mr. Kelley teaches, I follow God's Word. I formed my beliefs years before I ever read anything Mr. Kelley posts. I also agree with Charles Stanley and Andy Stanley. I regularly watch them on TV and visit their web sites. They are my beliefs and no human will knock me over. So, you guys can try to argue with me because of what Mr. Kelley says, but I will not fall for it. I don't feel that I have to. Think of me what you will, you don't know me, and my conscious doesn't bother me because I posted the article or feel that I have to defend someone elses work. I have better things to do.

Take the article as you will, refute it if you will.