Sabbath

[BlindSeeker]

What are the 2 greatest commandments?

Really man, what silly question is that? Please make ask something worthy of a reasoning response.

You act like they are the not only the "greatest commandments," but like they are the only ones as well.

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What about the law of liberty? Tell me, what do you do with it?

You speak as if you keep all the commandments.

Do you?

Funny thing man, your question to me seems strongly to imply that you don't.

Am I committing sin by not keeping the Sabbath?

Why ask me? Who am I?

What the God's word say?

Is it a commandment?

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

. . . and look! its a NT verse too

[Guest man]

Am I committing sin by not keeping the Sabbath?

Why ask me? Who am I?

What the God's word say?

Is it a commandment?

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

. . . and look! its a NT verse too

Here's something else from the New Testament.

Matthew 12

1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him,

[BlindSeeker]

Am I committing sin by not keeping the Sabbath?

Why ask me? Who am I?

What the God's word say?

Is it a commandment?

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

. . . and look! its a NT verse too

Here's something else from the New Testament.

Matthew 12

1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him,

[BlindSeeker]

And again I ask, show me a clear statement from Christ or the Apostles instructing anyone to observe the Sabbath. Can you? If you are going to keep the Sabbath, you cannot suddenly change the rules to fit your concept of them.

Why is the burden of proof on those who honor the Sabbath to prove the disciples did when clearly there is nothing evident where they discarded it. They had a commandment written in stone.

And like Man's post shows us, Jesus showed us that there is a liberty for believers on the Sabbath that does not make the day unholy or dismisses it either as a commandment

[Joshua-777]

And again I ask, show me a clear statement from Christ or the Apostles instructing anyone to observe the Sabbath. Can you? If you are going to keep the Sabbath, you cannot suddenly change the rules to fit your concept of them.

If you are going to attempt to keep the Sabbath by simply observing a set day, you have to keep it according to what Mosaic law prescribes, not what you think you either do or don't have to do. You cannot simply spiritualize the Temple, the Priesthood, and the sacrifice and say you don't need them. Yes, Jesus fulfills all those, but not if you think you are gaining something by observing a day because by thinking you are somehow gaining something by observing a mere day, you are missing the whole point and gaining nothing by it. I have never had one person I have ever asked explain to me how they keep the Sabbath. You say that you do, but you cannot without a sacrifice. Can you explain why that requirement no longer applies?

First, I'd like to say... I like the colors you use to post your verses.

Jesus was the sacrifice, That requirement was met in His blood. Now by you saying that I have to observe the sabbath according to what the Mosaic law prescribes you separating the sabbath from Christ. When the Sabbath points towards Christ. Jesus was the sacrifice. and our High priest, Our body is the temple, and with yes scripturally I can spiritualize them, same with circumcision. Jesus did this same thing with the law of the Sermon on the mount. How I observe it? The only way I can, I take the whole day and give it to God, putting aside work and resting in His presence, and things I want to do and treat the day as sacred.

I always see people who support this Sabbath-keeping trying to say that if someone does not keep the Sabbath according to their dictates, i.e., on a certain day, that they are not keeping the 4th commandment, and that is total hogwash. They don't seem to comprehend the fact that when you accept Christ as your Savior, that is a fulfillment of the 4th commandment. You are now keeping it, positionally, every single day by being a child of God. Jesus is our Sabbath rest, so accepting Him as our Savior automatically fulfills the 4th commandment requirement. Never mind the fact that you are not keeping the 4th

commandment in the way you think you are, no matter what you say, because there is no way you can physically do so.

Well it puzzles me why we have 9 commandments that no one disputes or disagrees, Yet the one commandment that God says keep Holy, we ignore. Yes it says it was given to Israel, but it also says forever. That day points to the coming of Christ, so for me that day is practice for when He comes. We have not entered His rest yet, that is why we are commanded to be diligent to enter that rest.

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Now we can say that it was given to Israel, but so was the entire law.

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[mizzdy]

Am I committing sin by not keeping the Sabbath?

Why ask me? Who am I?

What the God's word say?

Is it a commandment?

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

. . . and look! its a NT verse too

Here's something else from the New Testament.

Matthew 12

1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.

2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him,

[BlindSeeker]

Because you are the one going around telling people they are not keeping the 4th commandment in spite of clear scripture that says once Jesus is your Savior, that you are keeping the 4th commandment daily.

Perhaps you could post these clear scriptures you are referring to.

[Joshua-777]

Shabbat Shalom everyone!

[Joshua-777]

Because you are the one going around telling people they are not keeping the 4th commandment in spite of clear scripture that says once Jesus is your Savior, that you are keeping the 4th commandment daily.

Perhaps you could post these clear scriptures you are referring to.

Ok, I'm not switching my position on the Sabbath, I have posted many scriptural reasons why I believe we should keep the Sabbath, but I will also offer the opposing side to keeping the Sabbath. This is something that I have spend much time fasting and praying over and me personally I believe that it is a good thing a blessing to keep the Sabbath but I am not convinced it is a sin not to. This is an area I am on the fence about, which I will remain on the fence if it's a sin or not until the Lord reveals what He desires.

Now lets look at prophecy concerning the covenant we are under. God does refer to this as a new covenant, Exodus 31:16 refers to a covenant with the children of Israel forever, which is also why it will be celebrated in the millennial kingdom Isaiah 66, but Jeremiah clearly shows a new covenant. Also Jeremiah says that Gods law will be written on our hearts, now if Gods law is written on our hearts, why are there not more believers keeping the Sabbath? Also why am I not fully convicted or convinced it's a sin not to If I am relying on the Holy Spirit for my understanding on this? I can say He has revealed many sins that I was guilty of that I didn't even realize by conviction.

Exodus 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

The context of matthew 11:28 is in the context of Sabbath, because the next verse says At that time* This is also where Jesus calls himself Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus said come to Me and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”

12:7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

chapter 12 also is where Jesus is giving correcting the Pharisees on keeping the Sabbath though.

12:12 Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Hebrews 4:8-11 Also has been interpreted many different ways, on one side it's clear that a sabbath rest remains which can be taken as literal as well as future context. The clear context of the verse is referring to when we are at rest with Him. Showing two different types of rest, in the context of Joshua bringing Israel into the promise land, and us entering Jesus' rest through the wilderness of the world.

Hebrews 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Another argument is Sarah, and Hagar representing two covenants. the bondwoman "law" was sent away when the promise came "faith" This is also important by recognizing the law is meant to condemn us and bring us under bondage revealing the need for a Savior. Verse 30 refers to casting out the bondwoman and her son.

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Now there are these verses that say that all the law are fulfilled in one word, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, which can be debated many ways, but the simplicity is that the Law is fulfilled in love.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!

Romans 13:8-10

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

Now in John 13:34 Jesus said I give you a New commandment, that You love one another as I have loved you. Love your neighbor as yourself isn't a new commandment, so why would Jesus call this a new commandment? Well, to love like Jesus loved was not in the law, that means loving everyone, including your enemies. Which I believe this is the type of love that fulfills the law. Turning the other cheek, and living a sermon on the mount life style.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Now I do see this verse 1 John 3:24 quoted to support the law by many, but verse 23 is referring to the context which it's the same context as John 13:34, That we are to trust in Jesus Christ and love one another, I believe the context of verse 24 is referring to verse 23.

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Verses that shouldn't be used to go against the sabbath, but are commonly are.

Romans 14 is clearly not referring to the sabbath since it's talking to Jews about gentiles coming to worship with them on sabbath, and also the whole context of Romans 14 is about food, to eat or not to eat meat ect, and then days to observe, which shows the controversy between fasting days of gentiles and the jews, . Paul doesn't switch context in mid verse to sabbath, He wasn't ADHD, He sticks to the same context addressing the same issue about food and drink when referring to the days also.

Colossians 2: is referring to the Talmud, ceremonial laws, and man made laws and doesn't say to do or not to do anything except break off man made regulations, also pointing out that the festivals and Sabbaths are a shadow of things to come. It does however reveal that early Christians did partake in Sabbaths, and Festivals.

Now as I said earlier, I try to keep the Sabbath, and it is a blessing for me. I'm a junkie for His presence. I can see how coming to Jesus is keeping the Sabbath by the peace and rest we find in His presence, but on the other side, I believe that the Sabbath is still a sanctified and blessed day, and it is symbolic for when we are at rest with Jesus, and practice for when He comes. I think if we partake in the Sabbath it's a joyful thing and as Jesus said, the Sabbath was made for man. I also have been in this debate to encourage believers to look into the Sabbath not as an obligation to them, but to test it and see if it is blessed and sanctified. Give up one Sabbath to give praise to God and rest in His presence. No where has God taken His blessing off of the Sabbath. As far as it being a sin or not, I don't know. All I know is I'm in love with my Savior, and I will follow where ever He leads me.