Sabbath

[Joshua-777]

Act 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away

Long journeys were prohibited by the law on the Sabbath, Exodus 16:29.

Exo 16:29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

This was 2,000 paces or cubits, or seven furlongs and a half - not quite one mile.

So if you observe the Sabbath, do you not take more than 2,000 paces as well?

Looking into acts 1:12, Doesn't say they even journeyed directly on the sabbath, but they journeyed a "sabbath days journey", means a short distance. Also the mount of Olives is about a half a mile to a mile away from Jerusalem.

Acts 1:12 KJV

Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Acts 1:12 NLT

Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives, a distance of half a mile.

Acts 1:12 ESV

Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day

[Joshua-777]

Keeping the spirit of the ten commandments.

Knowing God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus is resting in the sabbath today or am I spiritualising the sabbath to suit me?

God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus, but pay attention to the verse referring to the rest Jesus gives us

Hebrews 4:8:11

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

It says let us be diligent to enter that rest. And makes clear that anyone who enters His rest has ceased from works. Honestly I have heard two good views, one is we have true rest in the presence of Jesus, the other view is that the Sabbath rest remains completed in Jesus. I hold to both, but seek the Lord on this. See where he leads.

Me personally I can't find a shred of evidence where God took His sanctification off of the 7th day and it's no longer sacred. It's the first thing God blessed in the bible Genesis 2:1-3.

I do know the the sabbath is a picture when we are at rest with our Messiah when He comes.

[Guest agua]

Keeping the spirit of the ten commandments.

Knowing God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus is resting in the sabbath today or am I spiritualising the sabbath to suit me?

God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus, but pay attention to the verse referring to the rest Jesus gives us

Hebrews 4:8:11

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

It says let us be diligent to enter that rest. And makes clear that anyone who enters His rest has ceased from works. Honestly I have heard two good views, one is we have true rest in the presence of Jesus, the other view is that the Sabbath rest remains completed in Jesus. I hold to both, but seek the Lord on this. See where he leads.

Me personally I can't find a shred of evidence where God took His sanctification off of the 7th day and it's no longer sacred. It's the first thing God blessed in the bible Genesis 2:1-3.

Ta josh.I see the "ceased from his works" as not trying to be approved by our actions and fully relying on Jesus.The Sabbath question is still interesting though.

[Randolf Kane]

But in regard to the Sabbath being done away with is a resounding Yes otherwise we would still be partially under the old law that was found wanting. Something man had a trouble keeping up with. In Romans 14 while Paul was talking about food he also made it very clear by using the word Sabbath. If it did not apply to the Sabbath also why even bring that point up? The reason he did was because it went with the old Law.

But Paul didn't use the word "Sabbath" He just simply said observing days, in a chapter that the whole context is eating meat or not. "Fasting days" seems to fit to me a little better seeing how big of an issue this would have been.

I am very sorry you are quite right the word sabbath is not used I do not know why I said it was. This still makes no change to this segment of scripture. I will grant you that the whole chapter was about eating meat but why the sudden change in that passage to include days to the Lord may be it is saying one person eats meat on one day a week and another eats meat on all days but it doesn't.even though the principal applied to it says it does and that is quite right. Taking the principal of days of observance whether it be meat or the Sabbath by saying one person places one day above another and another treats each day as all others including the day of observance the Sabbath. The same also can be said for verse 10 and 11 in principal although the chapter is talking about meat these verses tell me it is wrong to judge my brother unfairly about anything........... ¹⁰ But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.¹¹ For it is written:

" As I live, says the LORD,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God."

Although talking on meat and I must not Judge whether my brother eats it or not it is the same for and Days someone places over another In fact it is the same for anything I must not judge my brother unfairly on anything.

For me I observe one day as all others whether in eating meat or going to Church Visiting friends or a Sabbath every day to me is the same every day to me is a Sabbath because I observe the Lords rest every day of my life spiritually. By becoming a Believer in Christ I have entered into Gods rest.! Still waiting for the final day of rest when I enter on the Lords coming God Willing.For me, now I have made right my poor error, that is the last words I have to say on the matter.

I do not understand why you wrote those other scriptures below your quite fair admonishment though.

Again I am sorry for that bad mistake about the word Sabbath being used in Romans 14 but thank you for bringing it to my attention. Thanks

Edited October 16, 2010 by Randolf Kane

[Joshua-777]

Keeping the spirit of the ten commandments.

Knowing God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus is resting in the sabbath today or am I spiritualising the sabbath to suit me?

God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus, but pay attention to the verse referring to the rest Jesus gives us

Hebrews 4:8:11

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

It says let us be diligent to enter that rest. And makes clear that anyone who enters His rest has ceased from works. Honestly I have heard two good views, one is we have true rest in the presence of Jesus, the other view is that the Sabbath rest remains completed in Jesus. I hold to both, but seek the Lord on this. See where he leads.

Me personally I can't find a shred of evidence where God took His sanctification off of the 7th day and it's no longer sacred. It's the first thing God blessed in the bible Genesis 2:1-3.

Ta josh.I see the "ceased from his works" as not trying to be approved by our actions and fully relying on Jesus.The Sabbath question is still interesting though.

Good view, and I agree we are not righteous by the law or our own works, we are righteous by trusting in Him and His finished work on the cross. I think the "ceased from works" is reflecting when we're caught up with Him also. As far as sabbath rest though this verse doesn't say to keep or to not keep the Sabbath. It just says our rest is in Jesus.

I do know the the sabbath is a picture when we are at rest with our Messiah when He comes. Thats the rest I want to enter

[Joshua-777]

I am very sorry you are quite right the word sabbath is not used I do not know why I said it was. This still makes no change to this segment of scripture. I will grant you that the whole chapter was about eating meat but why the sudden change in that passage to include days to the Lord may be it is saying one person eats meat on one day a week and another eats meat on all days but it doesn't.even though the principal applied to it says it does and that is quite right. Taking the principal of days of observance whether it be meat or the Sabbath by saying one person places one day above another and another treats each day as all others including the day of observance the Sabbath. The same also can be said for verse 10 and 11 in principal although the chapter is talking about meat these verses tell me it is wrong to judge my brother unfairly about anything........... ¹⁰ But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.¹¹ For it is written:

" As I live, says the LORD,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God."

Although talking on meat and I must not Judge whether my brother eats it or not it is the same for and Days someone places over another In fact it is the same for anything I must not judge my brother unfairly on anything.

For me I observe one day as all others whether in eating meat or going to Church Visiting friends or a Sabbath every day to me is the same every day to me is a Sabbath because I observe the Lords rest every day of my life spiritually. By becoming a Believer in Christ I have entered into Gods rest.! For me, now I have made right my poor error, that is the last words I have to say on the matter.

I do not understand why you wrote those other scriptures below your quite fair admonishment though.

Again I am sorry for that bad mistake about the word Sabbath being used in Romans 14 but thank you for bringing it to my attention. Thanks

Hi, I used to use that chapter to support the sabbath day is no longer valid, but after studying it deeper I have found more evidence that that wasn't concerning Sabbath, but fasting days.

First it's important to remember that this letter is directed towards those that know the law, the Jews.

Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren ( for I speak to those who know the law ), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

Now with observance of days, there are many Jewish fasting days, and gentiles partaking who do not acknowledge the fasting days, you can see how there can be a disruption. That also gives a good reason why the whole chapter is about food and drink. If the observance of days was about Shabbat, why wouldn't it use the word Shabbat if Shabbat was such a huge thing in the bible? Instead it refers to observing days.

Now if this where referring to Shabbat, this is something that there would have to be chapter after chapter explaining to the Jews why Shabbat is no longer needed. Also the bible makes clear, we should observe the Lord every day in devotion and worship, so why would it make one day and every day an issue if it was referring to Shabbat? If we should kept Shabbat every day no work would get done also.

When it comes to the sabbath, I personally try to observe it and it's been a blessing to me, not a burden. For me it's a whole day to put aside to give to the Lord and rest in His presence. But seek the Lord on this, and remember the Law is fulfilled in love.

The main thing thats important though is that we Love, and put on Christ making no provision for the flesh.

Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments,

[JCISGD]

From what others have told me the hebrew name for the seventh day is just that, the "seventh day", and the word sabbath is not restricted to a day but is used to describe any seventh part. The Jews had feast days etc that were called "sabbaths" but were not on the seventh day.

If i stop work one hour at the end of every six, i have kept a sabbath. Therefore it is wrong thinking to believe the sabbath given to the Jews is necessary for others, and further it is impossible to keep the seventh day on the other side of the world.

I dont judge anyone who observes the seventh day, but neither do i accept those who insist it is necessary or better.

The sabbath will not be necessary or kept in heaven as we will have no need for rest, nor will the seventh commandment as we will no longer marry. It is missing the spirit of the law to insist otherwise.

God bless.

[Fez]

I am not at all trying to be obtuse or start an argument here.

Do I observe Sunday as the Sabbath? Not really.

South sings in our worship group at church, which means we have to be there at 3pm. Prayer starts at 4.30pm and the service at 5pm. We get home at about 7pm.

We have to leave for church at about 2,30pm (it is a 30 minute drive).

So in a way our Sundays are taken up by church. Most Sunday mornings we just potter around the house and I might do some minor repairs , or we take an hours walk just for the exercise (must do more of that!).

My question goes about the Sabbath walk mentioned.

Why would the walk be mentioned in the bible if it was not observed? Or was it just a remark to place the scripture in context?

We know Jesus worked" on the Sabbath (worked in terms of strict Rabbinical law that is).

I am just trying to see what the "balance" was, once He fulfilled the law.

[Guest agua]

Josh..I was re reading your posts mate and noticed in #7 you made reference to Isaiah 66 showing the Sabbath will exist in the new earth/heavens?

Is this new earth and heavens the same as the new heaven and earth mentioned in the Nt? I ask because in Isaiah the new heaven and earth still has birth and death.

Isa 65:20 "No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa 65:23 They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD, And their offspring with them.

Can you explain this?

[Guest LadyC]

I can understand those who struggle with the idea of the a sabbath day change, i too was concerned and ready to observe saturday if it was the truth. A lover of truth must consider every arguement and proof and not just settle on preference or tradition.

Im posting this link as it proved to me that God did change the day and why. But also i want to say that scripture supports any day as a sabbath and none should judge another in what day they observe. Remember our Pastors and Priests work on the day we rest, and they out of necessity rest on a different day.

May God bless this to the edification of all.

http://www.charlesfinney.com/finney/finney.php?op=125

the point is (and the question was) the sabbath was a command given to the jews, not to the gentiles. once Christ came and died on the cross and was resurrected, He fulfilled the law. we are not required to obey the sabbath, and there's not a single one of us who do... because if we do, then we have to observe every single bit of the sabbath law, as fez said. and this isn't just about gentiles, it applies also to any believer in Christ Jesus, jew or gentile alike.

the only commandment we are now required to obey in that sense is the one to love God and one another. that command covers all of the 10 commandments aside from the sabbath.

romans 13:

8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments,