Sabbath

[Joshua-777]

We are not justified by the law, and in seeking to be justified by the law we will fall from grace. Physical Circumcision has no value, and if we seek to be made right by becoming circumcised, Christ will profit us nothing. Did circumcision then just disappear and no longer has meaning, No because We must circumcise the foreskins of our hearts by cutting off the flesh, and living in the Spirit.

Couldn't the same thing be said about keeping the Sabbath?

depends, is the Sabbath of the flesh or of the Spirit?

[BlindSeeker]

Since it has gone conveniently ignored, I will resubmit my earlier post. After all, it is a legitimate question regarding the subject matter of the OP.

For all who believe God has cast away the Sabbath, how do you explain this verse?

Isa 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws,

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There is only one "ordinance" given by the finger of God written in stone . . . a commandment to remember a day set apart (sanctified) from creation as hallow.

In what other way was it changed . . . if not from the seventh day to the 1st or whatever day you feel like?

Your going to try and apply an OT verse given to a specific group and race of people for a specific purpose to NT Christians? That verse in Isaiah does not apply to anyone but the people that Isaiah was prophecying to then. Show me where God instituted the Sabbath before Mt. Sinai. Show me where God commanded anyone besides the Israelites to keep the Sabbath. Show me where Jesus tells us to obey the Sabbath law. Show me how the Sabbath can still be kept without a Temple. Until you can show biblical proof of all those things, keeping the Sabbath is a moot point.

So you can't answer it?

Just going to reason it away?

[Joshua-777]

but circumcision, like the sabbath, was part of the original, pre-resurrection covenant with the israelites, God's chosen people. it may not have been part of the 10, but it was still a command under penalty of death. exactly like keeping the sabbath.

and the sabbath, like circumcision, is NOT part of the new covenant under the blood of Christ with the gentile nations, and that the NT makes it clear not just once, not just twice, not even just three times, but over and over again that those things are not required for those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. (even if they are jewish.)

repeatedly in the NT, gentile believers are told they are NOT required to keep the sabbath.

Can you provide scripture? Other than Romans 14, which the context is related to food and drink, and does not use the word sabbath. and Colossians, which says sabbaths are a "shadow of things to come" "1000 year reign" which hasn't come yet, and took off regulations of don't touch, or don't taste. Also explaining why it is a covenant with Israel, forever.

and what makes you think anybody here treats it as if it were not sacred and blessed? do we have to behave exactly as you do in order for it to be sacred or blessed to us?

look, it's awesome that you dedicate a day of the week to the Lord. but to make it part of your doctrine that you try to convince others of is totally unbiblical. it's also based entirely on your speculation of what might have occurred prior to mt. sinai, even though there is not a shred of biblical evidence to support your assumptions.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying and I have been posting biblical evidence of how the sabbath was in the beginning, and kept during the 1000 year reign. There is no biblical evidence that they kept the sabbath day holy except for when God created the sabbath day until Exodus, but just as there is no biblical evidence they did, there is also no biblical evidence that they didn't. We do see that they did have a law similar to the law of moses, marriage, sin, sacrifices and offerings, first born rights, through out the book of Genesis.

and what makes you think anybody here treats it as if it were not sacred and blessed? do we have to behave exactly as you do in order for it to be sacred or blessed to us?

What does it mean to you, to treat it as sacred or blessed?

Honestly, I know I am not saved by the law, or any more or less righteous for attempting to observe the sabbath, as well as any other part of the law. I also know that our God said He blessed it and sanctified it and hasn't taken His blessing off of it. I do know what is is a shadow of, and that is the rest I am longing for.

If it is still a blessed and sanctified day to God, then it should be a blessed and sanctified day to us, that is my only point. How you observe it is between you and God.

[Guest man]

We are not justified by the law, and in seeking to be justified by the law we will fall from grace. Physical Circumcision has no value, and if we seek to be made right by becoming circumcised, Christ will profit us nothing. Did circumcision then just disappear and no longer has meaning, No because We must circumcise the foreskins of our hearts by cutting off the flesh, and living in the Spirit.

Couldn't the same thing be said about keeping the Sabbath?

depends, is the Sabbath of the flesh or of the Spirit?

Could you define those?

[Joshua-777]

B. The NT says clearly not to do.

Where?

I did answer it, you just don't like the answer.

So when Jesus returns to reign as King, has no context with us? That is the context of Isaiah 24.

[Joshua-777]

We are not justified by the law, and in seeking to be justified by the law we will fall from grace. Physical Circumcision has no value, and if we seek to be made right by becoming circumcised, Christ will profit us nothing. Did circumcision then just disappear and no longer has meaning, No because We must circumcise the foreskins of our hearts by cutting off the flesh, and living in the Spirit.

Couldn't the same thing be said about keeping the Sabbath?

depends, is the Sabbath of the flesh or of the Spirit?

Could you define those?

Circumcision of the flesh, is literal physical circumcision, circumcision of the heart is separating yourself from the desires of the flesh and being created new in Him.

Sabbath, Now if it is for ritual sake, is of the flesh, but if it is in union with our messiah, and set aside to worship in His presence, then it is of the heart/

[Guest man]

Sabbath, Now if it is for ritual sake, is of the flesh, but if it is in union with our messiah, and set aside to worship in His presence, then it is of the heart/

So then, the Sabbath could be any day of the week?

[other one]

"Might be....."

[other one]

Sabbath, Now if it is for ritual sake, is of the flesh, but if it is in union with our messiah, and set aside to worship in His presence, then it is of the heart/

So then, the Sabbath could be any day of the week?

Well, in reality my week starts on Monday. I set all my calenders to that effect, and back when I was working our hard copy calanders were printed that same way. Monday first and Satruday and Sunday were half sized and on top of each other.

I don't know how the calenders work out for the Jewish Calender is realy weird to keep up with over time.

[Joshua-777]

This might be off topic, but my hands smell really good right now