John 1:1

[BlindSeeker]

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This is an interesting verse that I have contemplated many times. The very phrase in the beginning signifies to me something significant . . . especially when considering the concept of eternity which doesn

[OneLight]

Many times I agree 100% with what you have to say, Brother, but not this time. Though I agree that with our finite mind we can not comprehend all that He is, because we are not God. I do believe that He is the entirety of God when He presents Himself to His creation, we just cannot comprehend His fullness, so we misunderstand. It is becuase we are not GOd that we don't believe we see His fullness. Why would you believe God would hide Himself from His creation?

[BlindSeeker]

Many times I agree 100% with what you have to say, Brother, but not this time. Though I agree that with our finite mind we can not comprehend all that He is, because we are not God. I do believe that He is the entirety of God when He presents Himself to His creation, we just cannot comprehend His fullness, so we misunderstand. It is becuase we are not GOd that we don't believe we see His fullness. Why would you believe God would hide Himself from His creation?

Obviously you are not understanding my post or position. Jesus is in fact fully God, the brightness of His glory and expressed image of His person. But as a man born of a woman, flesh and blood, it was but a sufficient means to justify God in the spirit by revealing enough of God's character and holiness to bring condemnation to His enemies.

However, it is impossible to fully convey the fullness of the infinite Holy One which is spirit and inhabits eternity through the incarnation of that spirit in the frailty of flesh and blood over the mere span of 33+ years.

As far as your question, "Why would you believe God would hide Himself from His creation?" Where did I say such a thing?

The whole purpose of the OP was to show how as a responsible Creator, God first and foremost established a medium whereby He could be seen and known.

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Perhaps you can explain why, if there isn't a necessity that God reveal Himself to mankind, that isn't known and fully understood by all?

[OneLight]

Many times I agree 100% with what you have to say, Brother, but not this time. Though I agree that with our finite mind we can not comprehend all that He is, because we are not God. I do believe that He is the entirety of God when He presents Himself to His creation, we just cannot comprehend His fullness, so we misunderstand. It is because we are not God that we don't believe we see His fullness. Why would you believe God would hide Himself from His creation?

Obviously you are not understanding my post or position. Jesus is in fact fully God, the brightness of His glory and expressed image of His person. But as a man born of a woman, flesh and blood, it was but a sufficient means to justify God in the spirit by revealing enough of God's character and holiness to bring condemnation to His enemies.

However, it is impossible to fully convey the fullness of the infinite Holy One which is spirit and inhabits eternity through the incarnation of that spirit in the frailty of flesh and blood over the mere span of 33+ years.

As far as your question, "Why would you believe God would hide Himself from His creation?" Where did I say such a thing?

The whole purpose of the OP was to show how as a responsible Creator, God first and foremost established a medium whereby He could be seen and known.

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Perhaps you can explain why, if there isn't a necessity that God reveal Himself to mankind, that isn't known and fully understood by all?

I think you are not understanding my reply. I speak of all his creation because you went back to the creation, starting with "But, using a little bit of deductive reasoning, back before the

[BlindSeeker]

I think you are not understanding my reply. I speak of all his creation because you went back to the creation, starting with "But, using a little bit of deductive reasoning, back before the

[Botz]

The whole purpose of the OP was to show how as a responsible Creator, God first and foremost established a medium whereby He could be seen and known.

I like this thought...the idea that G-d was never divorced from His creation, and desired an intimate relationship, and therefore had to reveal Himself according to His own method and purposes within the framework of His Creation....profound thought, thanks.

[OneLight]

I think you are not understanding my reply. I speak of all his creation because you went back to the creation, starting with "But, using a little bit of deductive reasoning, back before the

[OneLight]

The whole purpose of the OP was to show how as a responsible Creator, God first and foremost established a medium whereby He could be seen and known.

I like this thought...the idea that G-d was never divorced from His creation, and desired an intimate relationship, and therefore had to reveal Himself according to His own method and purposes within the framework of His Creation....profound thought, thanks.

I agree! God, through His love, allows us to witness His invisible attributes through His creation. Romans 1:20a-c "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead". His Spirit speaks clearly to our heart in whatever language we speak. I marvel at this.

[enoob57]

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This is an interesting verse that I have contemplated many times. The very phrase in the beginning signifies to me something significant . . . especially when considering the concept of eternity which doesn't have a beginning. It is from everlasting to everlasting.

In the Greek the word translated "word" is logos. That Greek word has many possible translations as seen by it definition

[BlindSeeker]

The only time Angles need bodies are when they communicate with humans, coming to our reality ... the physical.

Really? I didn't know that. Can you give me the verse(s)?

They are not always physical, as your words lead me to believe.

What you concluded is not what I said. Just where did I say they were physical?

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Physical and tangible are not necessarily the same.

They appear as we are because that is all we can see and understand. We never have seen into the spirit world to know for sure that they appear like that all the time, yet, being human and understanding in our terms, we make them this way always in our minds. When we are finally with Him, we will know the truth. Until then, I will keep the unknown just that.

While there may indeed be a dimensional distinction between the bodies of mankind and the various angelic host, scriptural references of angelic beings in the presence of God do have distinct forms, characteristics and limitations. Just because they by the power of God can be in transition whereby communication with humanity is intimate does not mean they are bodiless spirits.

I am positive that there will be worship in heaven, but pure worship is in the spirit, expressed the best we can by physical means.

And this relates to what in the discussion?

Are you saying we are incapable of pure worship here in the spirit because we are physical?