Justin Martyr AD151- re sunday fellowship

[JCISGD]

Firstly let me say that in no way am i using this to judge anyone who keeps a particular sabbath day or does not keep a day. I came accross this and wanted to put it out there for each to decide for themselves what is right. But let none deny that early church history reveals that sunday fellowship was observed by atleast these long before Constantine and the supposed change to a pagan day by him as some insist, i.e "Seventh day adventist" etc.

CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRIS- TIANS.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html

This too i found in the writings of Didache from the link above.

Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

[Guest]

LORD'S Day?

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5

[JCISGD]

LORD'S Day?

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5

Hi Joe, im not sure what your saying there? We are in agreement that Jesus is Lord of the sabbath.

The Lords day IS by the scriptures the first day of the week, also known as sunday. Jn 20:19, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 + Rev 1:10

The Lord of the sabbath has the right to make changes if the needs of its subjects change, and indeed He said "sabbath was made for man" (given for our needs).

Though it may seem conjecture, it is reasonable to see that the disciples needed a day distinct from Jewish law, and also this freed them up to labour for the souls of the Jews in the synagogues on the seventh day and still have intimate fellowship etc on the first day. Had the Lord made issue of keeping the first day, many souls would be lost and unprofitable persecution of the disciples would have ensued due to uproar over breaking from Moses` teaching.

The intention of this topic is to show that the disciples and early church did meet on the "first" day for fellowship, teaching, tithing and communion. Wether they also met on the seventh day is another topic.

God bless you.

[mizzdy]

You can read all the extra readings you want the bible says the Sabbath is the seventh day we are to rest on the Sabbath, you can fellowship any day of the week all day and night praise God but to label Sunday as the Lords Day or the Sabbath is unbiblical. The apostles kept following in Yeshuas sandals, keeping the Sabbath and the Feasts. The Lords day is the day of wrath, the Day Yeshua returns and that can be found in any study Zeph is a good place to read about what happens on the Day of the Lord. It seems for some reason this is a big topic with you JCISGD, if you would like to pm me I could send you some studies on this.

Mizz

[Fez]

I think this is a wonderful instruction on how church should convene, Sabbath discussions aside.

The only thing I can't see is an instruction on worship, but understand the time, and conditions under which the writing was done. Modern worship is probably a bit different...

[JCISGD]

You can read all the extra readings you want the bible says the Sabbath is the seventh day we are to rest on the Sabbath, you can fellowship any day of the week all day and night praise God but to label Sunday as the Lords Day or the Sabbath is unbiblical. The apostles kept following in Yeshuas sandals, keeping the Sabbath and the Feasts. The Lords day is the day of wrath, the Day Yeshua returns and that can be found in any study Zeph is a good place to read about what happens on the Day of the Lord. It seems for some reason this is a big topic with you JCISGD, if you would like to pm me I could send you some studies on this.

Mizz

hi Mizzdy, its a big topic because many today are being misled about it or are in ignorance of the facts. We are called to defend the faith and disprove error.

Can you explain how the bible verses i gave are "extra readings"? Please look up the definition of the word "sabbath", it means a seventh part and does not mean a particular day. God rested on the "seventh" day and called it a sabbath for man, can you show me where He named it "sabbath" as opposed to "seventh"?

Im not getting into a sabbath debate, my intention is to show the facts according to scripture that the Apostles and disciples met for fellowship on the first day. Wether they also kept the seventh is another topic.

Wether the Lords Day is also His return and a day of wrath, does not take away from the scriptures provided. Good bible study uses the clear verses to understand the unclear and not the other way around which leads to much error and spiritualising.

I am interested in any study, if you pm it to me i will consider it without predjudice thanks.

God bless.

[BlindSeeker]

. . . But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Jesus didn't rise on Sunday.

[JCISGD]

. . . But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Jesus didn't rise on Sunday.

Care to provide scripture for that?

In my bible it says in Math 28:1 "Now AFTER the sabbath, as the FIRST day of the week began to DAWN, Mary Mag`dalene and the other Mary came to see the TOMB"

Capitalised words are for highlight, and not shouted.

[JCISGD]

Good points made by Cobalt above imo, thanks for pointing out Lords Day vs Day of the Lord. I did not know the difference.

I started this topic carefully to avoid getting into sabbath keeping arguement, and having it closed. Im hoping it will stay focused on refuting/correcting interpretation if possible of the verses provided, and the testimony of early church teaching, and not wander to far from this.

[Guest]

Jesus

Assembled Together For Fear Of The Jews Now Changes The Sabbath?

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. John 20:19

Is Lord

The Daily Breaking Of Bread Now Changes The Sabbath?

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47

Of The Sabbath

Working To Gather Up Gifts For The Brethren Now Changes The Sabbath?

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:1-4

And Only Jesus Saves

Standing Fast In The Faith Now Changes The Sabbath?

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 1:10-11

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LORD'S Day?

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5

Hi Joe, im not sure what your saying there? We are in agreement that Jesus is Lord of the sabbath.

The Lords day IS by the scriptures the first day of the week, also known as sunday. Jn 20:19, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 + Rev 1:10

The Lord of the sabbath has the right to make changes if the needs of its subjects change, and indeed He said "sabbath was made for man" (given for our needs).

Though it may seem conjecture, it is reasonable to see that the disciples needed a day distinct from Jewish law, and also this freed them up to labour for the souls of the Jews in the synagogues on the seventh day and still have intimate fellowship etc on the first day. Had the Lord made issue of keeping the first day, many souls would be lost and unprofitable persecution of the disciples would have ensued due to uproar over breaking from Moses` teaching.

The intention of this topic is to show that the disciples and early church did meet on the "first" day for fellowship, teaching, tithing and communion. Whether they also met on the seventh day is another topic.

God bless you.

Wonderful Thread

Thank You Dear Brother

I Posted The Scripture For Your Consideration

And For Any Worthy Reader Who Is Looking Into The Seventh (Sabbath) Day Of Rest

But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matthew 12:6-8

And Here Are A Few Other Scriptures Given By The LORD Jesus Face To Face To Grandfather Moses

It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever. Leviticus 16:31

Which (For Me) Answered Any Questions I May Have Once Had About Which Day Jesus

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:10-11

And HIS Brothers The Apostles Set Aside As A Special Day

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. Exodus 31:16

For Israel's Family Worship

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. Exodus 16:29

For Your Consideration, Beloved

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17

Love, Your Brother Joe