Bible Translations - New Twist!

[RGR]

Oh, I have to add to the list of terrible, so-called "Christian" books: ANYTHING written by Herbert W. Armstrong - those books messed me up for years!

I got into that mess when I was in my early teens. Looking back, he was very close to some of the same beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness folks.

[other one]

Oh, I have to add to the list of terrible, so-called "Christian" books: ANYTHING written by Herbert W. Armstrong - those books messed me up for years!

I got into that mess when I was in my early teens. Looking back, he was very close to some of the same beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness folks.

I guess many of us got caught up in Mr. Armstrongs teachings...... I would say though he did have a few bible truths that others don't talk about nearl enough....... but where he took his discussions were over the edge.

They also resembled the SDA's also.

[RGR]

Oh, I have to add to the list of terrible, so-called "Christian" books: ANYTHING written by Herbert W. Armstrong - those books messed me up for years!

I got into that mess when I was in my early teens. Looking back, he was very close to some of the same beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness folks.

I guess many of us got caught up in Mr. Armstrongs teachings...... I would say though he did have a few bible truths that others don't talk about nearl enough....... but where he took his discussions were over the edge.

They also resembled the SDA's also.

It was almost a mixture of JW & SDA both. I read here a bit back where that they found he plagarized a lot of his works from a SDA minister.

[other one]

Oh, I have to add to the list of terrible, so-called "Christian" books: ANYTHING written by Herbert W. Armstrong - those books messed me up for years!

I got into that mess when I was in my early teens. Looking back, he was very close to some of the same beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness folks.

I guess many of us got caught up in Mr. Armstrongs teachings...... I would say though he did have a few bible truths that others don't talk about nearl enough....... but where he took his discussions were over the edge.

They also resembled the SDA's also.

It was almost a mixture of JW & SDA both. I read here a bit back where that they found he plagarized a lot of his works from a SDA minister.

He had such a logical way of approaching subjects that he could take you somewhere in such a manor that in the end you knew deep down it was not correct, but not figure out why. I was really really frustrated with it all before we left there.

[enoob57]

I don't like when someone takes Hebraic understanding of blessings and birthrights and then "Gentilize" the promises to fit "believers" today as a replacement theology. They are two different things.

True. But I've heard people say that since we have been "grafted on to the vine," those promises are also ours to claim. How would you respond?

From stones... for children unto Abraham... God rebuked them for their setting down in this place of linages. If to boast it would be in God for I am made miraclously from His Linage and to His Home now is my Home... A New Jerusalem. The one who knew those promises well (Paul) is also the one who said this

Phil 3:12-14

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

NKJV

and the understanding it was written so that we God's children can understand why a New Heaven and New Earth wherein with Righteousness and Holiness may with the soles of Her feet have only tread... Love Steven

[other one]

I don't like when someone takes Hebraic understanding of blessings and birthrights and then "Gentilize" the promises to fit "believers" today as a replacement theology. They are two different things.

True. But I've heard people say that since we have been "grafted on to the vine," those promises are also ours to claim. How would you respond?

What were those promises Wyguy?

Specifically, I have no idea. But from what I've heard said, all the blessings that God blessed Israel with, are ours also to claim.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with that idea.

The covenant with Abraham was physical. It was unconditional. It promiced land and a large family tree that would make up a great nation.

i believe when we become christians we join the convnant that was made with Abraham and not the Mosiac covenant.

But all of these covenants are of a physical nature except the last. Believing and making/letting Jesus be our Lord gives us membership of a spiritual covenant that deals with where we spend eternity and with whom. It gives us eternal life.

I don't see where any of the old covenants dealt with the spiritual realm.

[other one]

Oh, and BTW I've heard his voice also.

[wyguy]

I don't like when someone takes Hebraic understanding of blessings and birthrights and then "Gentilize" the promises to fit "believers" today as a replacement theology. They are two different things.

True. But I've heard people say that since we have been "grafted on to the vine," those promises are also ours to claim. How would you respond?

What were those promises Wyguy?

Specifically, I have no idea. But from what I've heard said, all the blessings that God blessed Israel with, are ours also to claim.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with that idea.

The covenant with Abraham was physical. It was unconditional. It promiced land and a large family tree that would make up a great nation.

i believe when we become christians we join the convnant that was made with Abraham and not the Mosiac covenant.

But all of these covenants are of a physical nature except the last. Believing and making/letting Jesus be our Lord gives us membership of a spiritual covenant that deals with where we spend eternity and with whom. It gives us eternal life.

I don't see where any of the old covenants dealt with the spiritual realm.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

The "old" covenant that the bible talks about has to do with one's relationship with God i.e. thru the Mosaic vs the "new" by faith in Christ. The others are very much in effect yet.

This assertion is incorrect. The Old and the New Covenant are actually one and the same in Christ Jesus. The only thing about the New is that it was a clearer understanding and revelation of God's perfect Plan. The Old Covenant placed Faith in the Messiah to come. The Messiah and the Ressurection were the Hope of the Jew and the Prophets and the Law spoke of Him.

This assertion is also incorrect;

In addition, those in Christ, unbeknownst to themselves are not only spiritual seed of Abraham, but many are actual physical seed as well.

Ga 4:22

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free woman.

Ga 4:23

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the free woman was by promise.

Ga 4:30

Nevertheless what says the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the free woman.

peace,

Dave

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

The "old" covenant that the bible talks about has to do with one's relationship with God i.e. thru the Mosaic vs the "new" by faith in Christ. The others are very much in effect yet.

This assertion is incorrect. The Old and the New Covenant are actually one and the same in Christ Jesus. The only thing about the New is that it was a clearer understanding and revelation of God's perfect Plan. The Old Covenant placed Faith in the Messiah to come. The Messiah and the Ressurection were the Hope of the Jew and the Prophets and the Law spoke of Him.

This assertion is also incorrect;

In addition, those in Christ, unbeknownst to themselves are not only spiritual seed of Abraham, but many are actual physical seed as well.

Ga 4:22

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free woman.

Ga 4:23

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the free woman was by promise.

Ga 4:30

Nevertheless what says the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the free woman.

peace,

Dave

Just for clarification, what are some of the things God promised to Abraham? Can you list perhaps say, at least 5 of them? Those are the promises I am talking about.

Also, what are the different covenants the bible talks about?

Grace to you,

I'll answer you when you back your assertions with Scripture. Please, no more links either. I want you to explain your position with scripture. I'm a Berean.

Peace,

Dave