Who Is Your God?

[Joshua-777]

God is love, and that is not a lie. The ones you are referring to are the people do not understand what love is, and use it as an excuse to sin when all reality they do not know love, and they do not know God. Love is not an excuse to walk in worldly lust, but a reason to abstain from it.

What does love look like? Jesus praying the price for our sins, and laying down His life for us. It's all about love and God is love. He desires us to lay down our lives for our brethren, for us to share His gospel of peace not because we can, or just to convert people, but because we actually love them. Love is feeding the hungry, taking in the broken and the lost. Opening your heart to what this world has cast out and showing them the love of Jesus. God desires to free people from the bondage of sin by showing them such love they don't want it anymore, It's our judgements that stop us from being a mouth peace of God. We are called to love and live by example. If our Pursuit is love, a deeper love for our Creator, and a deeper love for each other, holiness will be produced. It is all about love. God is love.

1 John 4:16-21

16 God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

You're not going to like this but it absolutely the truth. No scripture nor any grouping of scripture can ever be understood without the light of all scripture. The list below is far, far short of being all-inclusive and when you have finished dealing with my quote from the Nave's Topical you can begin a study that runs from the first word of the first chapter of Genesis, In, all the way through the very last "Amen" of Revelation 22 to complete the all inclusive study on the character of God. God is the God of Wrath, the God of justice, of God there is no limit!

God is love, He calls Himself love in His Word, so therefore God is love and Yes God is also a God of wrath, Because He is a just God, but God also desires all to be saved. I can say from personal experience, if anyone is more deserving of Gods wrath, I exceed that a hundred fold, but through the darkness I was running in I still found Gods love. Without God there is no Love, therefore God is love. He gave us commandment to love each other.

John 15:9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

Jesus also said He judges no one, but all will be judged by the words He has spoken in the last day. So we are not to judge. We are called to love.

John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

Now what it's all about. What will be the dividing line between us? What will we be judged by? Our love. Those who lacked love where the goats who where cast out.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

God is love, because He calls himself love, and what He desires of us, is the same thing He desires all through out His word. God is love, God is also a God of wrath, but His wrath is righteous, and His judgements are just. He calls Himself Jealousy a consuming fire. If He is love, anything does not abide in love is not of Him, and therefore judgement is coming, because God is also a God of justice.

Our Job is to love Him with our all, and to love each other.

[Joshua-777]

Isaiah 58:6

[th1bill]

Isaiah 58:6

[Joshua-777]

And the point made in the post has eluded you, because of stubbornness? pride? delusion? I can't tell! A lie is, perhaps, one of the easiest sentences in the English Language to structure. There are flat out lies that are directly opposed to a valid truth, these are easily spotted. There are lies of inclusion where ten to ninety or better percent is the truth, these are, popularly, known as Propaganda. And then there is the popular lie to increase the Membership/Cash Flow that are lies of omission. The largest of this class is exactly what this string is about.

It is absolutely the truth that God is Love and at the same time that statement, without the inclusion of the rest of God's Character Traits is absolutely a lie of omission! The truth, used as a lie, God is Love, is the core of the Universal Church Movement and from there comes the lie that a Loving God will not send any of His creation to Hell.

Since I'm not willing to fall into Satan's trap and fight with you over this issue, I pray you have understood my point now. It is one of those hard doctrines to swallow but that is because we have become so enamored with the idea of numbers and church growth today at the expense of the truth.

God Bless.

So are you saying that the verse that states God is love is a lie because there is a hell? There is a hell, it is a place for the angels that have sinned against the Lord, awaiting judgement, Without the blood of Jesus that is our fate too. God desires no one to go there, but all come to the saving grace of Christ. But without the blood of Jesus that is our fate.

God is love, and He loves us so much He became flesh, and died on the cross paying the price for our sins. Those who do not accept that do not know love, and those who do not love do not know God.

[Guest shiloh357]

It is absolutely the truth that God is Love and at the same time that statement, without the inclusion of the rest of God's Character Traits is absolutely a lie of omission!

Actually, that is not exactly accurate if one is going off of a biblical concept of love.

Biblical love is wrapped up in all of what amounts to God's nature and operations. God is love (which is not the same as saying "love is God) and everything else as far as God's attributes are incidental to that. Included in God's love are His holiness and righteousness. You cannot separate those things out from who and what God is. Love is not just one item on a grocery list of items. Rather God is love. His love is manifested in His holiness, His justice, righteousness, kindness, forgiveness, mercy and so forth.

The truth, used as a lie, God is Love, is the core of the Universal Church Movement and from there comes the lie that a Loving God will not send any of His creation to Hell.

That is the result of such movements who see "love" from a more emotional standpoint and not as a more hebraic concept of service. Love, by nature, is pure and does not preclude the hatred of sin. God operates in a perfect form of hate that we humans are incapable of operating in. God is the only person who can love and hate at the same time and do both perfectly. Neither God's love or His hatred resemble the carnal forms expressed in human nature and as such, our experience of love and hate cannot be projected on to God.

[th1bill]

And the point made in the post has eluded you, because of stubbornness? pride? delusion? I can't tell! A lie is, perhaps, one of the easiest sentences in the English Language to structure. There are flat out lies that are directly opposed to a valid truth, these are easily spotted. There are lies of inclusion where ten to ninety or better percent is the truth, these are, popularly, known as Propaganda. And then there is the popular lie to increase the Membership/Cash Flow that are lies of omission. The largest of this class is exactly what this string is about.

It is absolutely the truth that God is Love and at the same time that statement, without the inclusion of the rest of God's Character Traits is absolutely a lie of omission! The truth, used as a lie, God is Love, is the core of the Universal Church Movement and from there comes the lie that a Loving God will not send any of His creation to Hell.

Since I'm not willing to fall into Satan's trap and fight with you over this issue, I pray you have understood my point now. It is one of those hard doctrines to swallow but that is because we have become so enamored with the idea of numbers and church growth today at the expense of the truth.

God Bless.

So are you saying that the verse that states God is love is a lie because there is a hell? There is a hell, it is a place for the angels that have sinned against the Lord, awaiting judgement, Without the blood of Jesus that is our fate too. God desires no one to go there, but all come to the saving grace of Christ. But without the blood of Jesus that is our fate.

God is love, and He loves us so much He became flesh, and died on the cross paying the price for our sins. Those who do not accept that do not know love, and those who do not love do not know God.

I will not answer you again in this string except your purpose change. The first paragraph of the OP precisely outlines and gives the purposeful statement of the following text and you, in the most un-Christlike manor are in this for a fight that you can win and claim a victory. You are busy building straw-men to mount your white charger and slay. You can build those straw-men all you wish and you can make false assertions of my intent and, because we live in a dumbed down society, you can even convince many of your self-righteousness and superior understanding of what God really means but in the End it is God that both of us will stand before and I'll stay with the leading of the Holy Spirit... I feel secure there.

[th1bill]

It is absolutely the truth that God is Love and at the same time that statement, without the inclusion of the rest of God's Character Traits is absolutely a lie of omission!

Actually, that is not exactly accurate if one is going off of a biblical concept of love.

Biblical love is wrapped up in all of what amounts to God's nature and operations. God is love (which is not the same as saying "love is God) and everything else as far as God's attributes are incidental to that. Included in God's love are His holiness and righteousness. You cannot separate those things out from who and what God is. Love is not just one item on a grocery list of items. Rather God is love. His love is manifested in His holiness, His justice, righteousness, kindness, forgiveness, mercy and so forth.

The truth, used as a lie, God is Love, is the core of the Universal Church Movement and from there comes the lie that a Loving God will not send any of His creation to Hell.

That is the result of such movements who see "love" from a more emotional standpoint and not as a more hebraic concept of service. Love, by nature, is pure and does not preclude the hatred of sin. God operates in a perfect form of hate that we humans are incapable of operating in. God is the only person who can love and hate at the same time and do both perfectly. Neither God's love or His hatred resemble the carnal forms expressed in human nature and as such, our experience of love and hate cannot be projected on to God.

Please, go back and begin with the OP.

[Joshua-777]

And the point made in the post has eluded you, because of stubbornness? pride? delusion? I can't tell! A lie is, perhaps, one of the easiest sentences in the English Language to structure. There are flat out lies that are directly opposed to a valid truth, these are easily spotted. There are lies of inclusion where ten to ninety or better percent is the truth, these are, popularly, known as Propaganda. And then there is the popular lie to increase the Membership/Cash Flow that are lies of omission. The largest of this class is exactly what this string is about.

It is absolutely the truth that God is Love and at the same time that statement, without the inclusion of the rest of God's Character Traits is absolutely a lie of omission! The truth, used as a lie, God is Love, is the core of the Universal Church Movement and from there comes the lie that a Loving God will not send any of His creation to Hell.

Since I'm not willing to fall into Satan's trap and fight with you over this issue, I pray you have understood my point now. It is one of those hard doctrines to swallow but that is because we have become so enamored with the idea of numbers and church growth today at the expense of the truth.

God Bless.

So are you saying that the verse that states God is love is a lie because there is a hell? There is a hell, it is a place for the angels that have sinned against the Lord, awaiting judgement, Without the blood of Jesus that is our fate too. God desires no one to go there, but all come to the saving grace of Christ. But without the blood of Jesus that is our fate.

God is love, and He loves us so much He became flesh, and died on the cross paying the price for our sins. Those who do not accept that do not know love, and those who do not love do not know God.

I will not answer you again in this string except your purpose change. The first paragraph of the OP precisely outlines and gives the purposeful statement of the following text and you, in the most un-Christlike manor are in this for a fight that you can win and claim a victory. You are busy building straw-men to mount your white charger and slay. You can build those straw-men all you wish and you can make false assertions of my intent and, because we live in a dumbed down society, you can even convince many of your self-righteousness and superior understanding of what God really means but in the End it is God that both of us will stand before and I'll stay with the leading of the Holy Spirit... I feel secure there.

I do not appreciate you judging my intentions, and my only righteousness is that Jesus died on the cross for my unrighteousness. I am not sure your point. And It's not about wining or losing but love for each other. I'm not fighting with you, I am however very passionate about His love and believe it to be the characteristic of God that influences everything He has done for us, and I base my life on that. If your point is to debate universalism, I'm against universalism also and I do believe in hell, and I believe without the blood of Jesus, that is our only destination. God bless brother and may his peace be upon you.

[th1bill]

I do not appreciate you judging my intentions, and my only righteousness is that Jesus died on the cross for my unrighteousness. I am not sure your point. And It's not about wining or losing but love for each other. I'm not fighting with you, I am however very passionate about His love and believe it to be the characteristic of God that influences everything He has done for us, and I base my life on that. If your point is to debate universalism, I'm against universalism also and I do believe in hell, and I believe without the blood of Jesus, that is our only destination. God bless brother and may his peace be upon you.

Joshua,

In the Op I did not, nor have I since that point denied that God is Love! What I reported from my past, over twenty years of observation, is that many, in the interest of numbers and dollars, are telling it as a lie. These people are the very ones we are warned of, they are the Ear Ticklers and without teaching the total of the character of God, they are lying. Your argument is and has been against the use of the word, lie, without any consideration for the context in which it is used. These people I speak of have made God into a god and they keep it inside their worship place and only take it out of the container they keep it in on Sunday.

[~Shalhevet~]

God is love, and He loves us so much He became flesh, and died on the cross paying the price for our sins. Those who do not accept that do not know love, and those who do not love do not know God.

Amen.

God is Love

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8

God is Our Hiding Place

For you are my hiding place; you protect me from trouble. You surround me with songs of victory. Psalm 32:7

God is Our Protector

The LORD will keep you from all harm