Lucifer?

[sdktlk]

Just quoting the Lord in that He said He was positionally IN Heaven even as He spoke. Why would we think that He wasn't?

How do you read this in that verse?

If you can't SEE what He said then how can I possibly make it clear to you.

Read the Greek

Neb, I've did quite a study on the Greek since you encouraged me to and what I see is, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN heaven." (Jn 3:13) I appreciate you helping me to make sure that the verse says what it says.

[nebula]

Read the Greek

Neb, I've did quite a study on the Greek since you encouraged me to and what I see is, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN heaven." (Jn 3:13) I appreciate you helping me to make sure that the verse says what it says.

I'd like to know how you got that out of what it says there. ??

[other one]

Just quoting the Lord in that He said He was positionally IN Heaven even as He spoke. Why would we think that He wasn't?

How do you read this in that verse?

If you can't SEE what He said then how can I possibly make it clear to you.

Read the Greek

Neb, I've did quite a study on the Greek since you encouraged me to and what I see is, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN heaven." (Jn 3:13) I appreciate you helping me to make sure that the verse says what it says.

You do realize that Adam is not a "son of man" and Jesus us referred to as Son of man several places.

[nebula]

You do realize that Adam is not a "son of man" and Jesus us referred to as Son of man several places.

sdktlk's claim is that Jesus was "positionally in Heaven" even when on Earth.

And thus Adam was "positionally in Heaven" the same way, and that is how he "fell from Heaven."

[Matthitjah]

WB is getting bazarr folks...

That because, IMO, people debate people preaching a strange and different Gospel for a dozen pages and still allow it to continue.

Brother,

It's allowed to continue because one of the chief goals of Worthy Forums is to edify all believers.

There's no doubt this brother professes Faith in the risen Lord Jesus Christ.

When I came here I was a full fledged practicing Catholic and while I professed Faith in Christ and actually was recently born again. I was just about as bad off as any lost person out there because I was Religious and didn't have a relationship with the Lord. It wasn't unkind cutting remarks that brought me closer to the Lord. It was Love and a provoking by those who had the relationship.

That's why threads go on. The hour is late and we all need to be walking very closely with the Lord at this hour. Even if we feel folks are in error we ought take the admonition of Jude.

Jude 1:20

But you, beloved, building up yourselves in your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

Jude 1:21

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jude 1:22

And on some have compassion, making a difference:

Jude 1:23

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jude 1:24

Now unto him who is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jude 1:25

To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.

This thread is closed and I would urge all readers of it to be like the Bereans and to search the scriptures to see whether what has been spoken holds up to the Light of Truth.

Peace,

Dave