Neuroscience: Why free will may be an illusion

[nebula]

Why free will may be an illusion

17:44 18 April 2011

New Scientiest

MacGregor Campbell, consultant

Does free will actually exist? Or are we all just biological robots?

In this video, see why modern neuroscience claims free will is an illusion and why psychology experiments suggest we may be better off believing the lie. Controlling our own destiny is so ingrained in modern society that its non-existence is constantly being challenged.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2011/04/why-free-will-may-be-an-illusion.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

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This presentation was bizarre. It does not explain why "modern neuroscience claims free will is an illusion."

Then it just gets weird.

Reminds me of the "Free-will" debates we have here.

[enoob57]

Why free will may be an illusion

17:44 18 April 2011

New Scientiest

MacGregor Campbell, consultant

Does free will actually exist? Or are we all just biological robots?

In this video, see why modern neuroscience claims free will is an illusion and why psychology experiments suggest we may be better off believing the lie. Controlling our own destiny is so ingrained in modern society that its non-existence is constantly being challenged.

http://www.newscient...ref=online-news

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This presentation was bizarre. It does not explain why "modern neuroscience claims free will is an illusion."

Then it just gets weird.

Reminds me of the "Free-will" debates we have here.

Knowledge is thus designed that it will never come to completion for it is sourced in God Who is without end and as we gain in its amounts we turn inward to admire what we have attained (we worked really hard to get where we are after all!) and thus pride is born and the yeast of sin is blinding to us and that blindness causes us to lose the fact that what we have attained is nothing compared to that which is attainable... that is why when we keep our eyes fixed on Him we maintain the broken and contrite spirit of truth that we are nothing and He is everything -thus- in us we are made something only by His presence within us which is only a continuance of that focus of truth upon Him in which we shall traverse the eternities with Him our centered focus... Love Steven

[other one]

Kind of circular thinking..... You may think you have free will, but you're really just wired to think that.... You might disagree with me, but you're not built to see reality..... Great.....

[Babbler]

I believe that is god's greatest gift, Freewill; I relish it. It is our choice to follow him or not. Love is not genuine unless given freely. Freewill is nonexistant in Islam.

[Guest]

This presentation was bizarre. It does not explain why "modern neuroscience claims free will is an illusion."

Don't Blame Me

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:

for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,

when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:13-15

God Made Me To Do It

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Then it just gets weird. Reminds me of the "Free-will" debates we have here.

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Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psalms 133:1

[Mrs Mac]

Our freewill allows us to believe in science experiments such as you have shown or the Bible. I am a Christian with a free will and so choose the Bible.

God created man and woman with a free will to choose good over evil...eg don't eat of the tree and they used their freewill to disobey.

Satan tempted Jesus who had the freewill to refuse the kingdoms he offered. Freewill is about making choices.

Jesus called the disciples they chose to follow Him.

Don't mean to rain on the parade but the validity of neuroscience does not stack up against Scripture so that science may be the illusion or if you like the delusion.

[childeye]

I believe that is god's greatest gift, Freewill; I relish it. It is our choice to follow him or not. Love is not genuine unless given freely. Freewill is nonexistant in Islam.

On the contrary, freewill is always a necessary component of any beleif system basd upon the requirement of obedience of written ordinances, or which Islam is. The fact that Islam believes in predestination is not wrong but their thinking that through obedience to the Koran will give them life is therefore hypocritical in reasoning.

Note; The book bondage of the will by Martin Luther where he argues the case wth the Roman Catholic Church publicly. The whole argument of the believers in freewill was based upon the claim that God wouldn't have given us the laws if He knew we couldn't keep them. This is a form of freewill defined as an option. This is like saying if I had a mouse in a box and I put a partition in the middle with a door in it, he now had a freewill. An Illusion.

Moreovere the Spirit of Love is scientifically proven to not be a choice in many experiments. One that comes to mind is three groups of monkeys with newborn babaies were observed. In one group the babies grew up always in the presence of their mother. In the second group, the babies were kept away from the Mother half of their adolescent lives. In the third group the babies were kept away from their mothers their entire adolescent lives. The results showed the first monkeys were considerate, sharing, playful and trusting. The second group turned out inconsiderate, selfish, abusive, and distrusting. The third group turned out crazy.

Edited April 22, 2011 by childeye

[childeye]

Our freewill allows us to believe in science experiments such as you have shown or the Bible. I am a Christian with a free will and so choose the Bible.

God created man and woman with a free will to choose good over evil...eg don't eat of the tree and they used their freewill to disobey.

Satan tempted Jesus who had the freewill to refuse the kingdoms he offered. Freewill is about making choices.

Jesus called the disciples they chose to follow Him.

Don't mean to rain on the parade but the validity of neuroscience does not stack up against Scripture so that science may be the illusion or if you like the delusion.

If a man saw the Truth, he simply learned. Denial of Truth is not freedom it's ignorance and dishonesty. No one chooses to beleive as if they could choose not to. That's why there's the word revelation. That's why there exists the word conviction. What you've just said here is you could betray God tommorrow no problem. What you've said in affect is according to you, God's Glory is your graciousness. Think about it.

Edited April 22, 2011 by childeye

[enoob57]

Note; The book bondage of the will by Martin Luther where he argues the case wth the Roman Catholic Church publicly. The whole argument of the believers in freewill was based upon the claim that God wouldn't have given us the laws if He knew we couldn't keep them. This is a form of freewill defined as an option. This is like saying if I had a mouse in a box and I put a partition in the middle with a door in it, he now had a freewill. An Illusion.

I just realized your blindness God is not in a box He is unbounded and Christ is the Doorway of Obedience through which we pass through to live forever in the freedom of unbounded Holiness... and freewill choice is to be delivered from a bounded hell of His absence for He cannot be bound by the election and predestination The Father holds in His greatness!

You are Catholic in your persuastion of Theology aren't you? Love Steven

[enoob57]

Our freewill allows us to believe in science experiments such as you have shown or the Bible. I am a Christian with a free will and so choose the Bible.

God created man and woman with a free will to choose good over evil...eg don't eat of the tree and they used their freewill to disobey.

Satan tempted Jesus who had the freewill to refuse the kingdoms he offered. Freewill is about making choices.

Jesus called the disciples they chose to follow Him.

Don't mean to rain on the parade but the validity of neuroscience does not stack up against Scripture so that science may be the illusion or if you like the delusion.

If a man saw the Truth, he simply learned. Denial of Truth is not freedom it's ignorance and dishonesty. No one chooses to beleive as if they could choose not to. That's why there's the word revelation. That's why there exists the word conviction. What you've just said here is you could betray God tommorrow no problem. What you've said in affect is according to you, God's Glory is your graciousness. Think about it.

Is not all that will ever be known and kept according to God's Good Pleasure? Are we not created in that same image? There are many truths when taken to far deny others that have also been spoken so when reason falls short stop and wait upon Him-> He will increase us in His good time... Love Steven