Book of Enoch

[goldust59]

I am curious to discover what has actually been of help through some of these extra-biblical writings...is it a nuance of teaching, an obscure historical fact, curious information or something that throws more light on actual accepted Scripture?

I think many people have a hard enough time reading, inwardly digesting, understanding the historical and cultural context of Scripture and actually being obedient to the word of G-d without imbibing information that could obstruct the flow of truth and bring futher unnecessary speculation and a degree of added confusion....it is so easy to run off at a tangent, and sometimes even fairly neutral and innocent fodder can bring about spiritual indigestion.

I wanted to read Enoch because he was taken by God without seeing death. When Jude speaks of him it is about a prophecy of the Lord coming to execute judgement. This made me curious about this man of God & the relationship he & God shared.

I read all the extra-biblical writings with prayer & trust the Holy Spirit to guide me through what is written. I believe we can obtain insight & deeper understanding about God and the ancient peoples through SOME of these writings.

[other one]

I am curious to discover what has actually been of help through some of these extra-biblical writings...is it a nuance of teaching, an obscure historical fact, curious information or something that throws more light on actual accepted Scripture?

I think many people have a hard enough time reading, inwardly digesting, understanding the historical and cultural context of Scripture and actually being obedient to the word of G-d without imbibing information that could obstruct the flow of truth and bring futher unnecessary speculation and a degree of added confusion....it is so easy to run off at a tangent, and sometimes even fairly neutral and innocent fodder can bring about spiritual indigestion.

Assuming that the general story of Enoch is reality, It further defines the details of what things were happening before the flood, and expands on scripture..... or maybe I should say fills in some gaps of what was happening before the flood, and gives details of how the fallen angels had managed to not only corrupt mankind spiritually, but literally physically corrupted life on the world physically as well.

I think what matters is whether or not one considers the story line of Enoch a total fabrication or just uninspired writings.

The main thing for me is that it does not change or hurt the Gospel, but simply gives a bit of insight into the dark side and what they were up to and why..... and should give one some incentive to keep away from it/them.

Of course if you think the whole book is a total fabrication, then one should preach against people even reading it.

[mizzdy]

I am curious to discover what has actually been of help through some of these extra-biblical writings...is it a nuance of teaching, an obscure historical fact, curious information or something that throws more light on actual accepted Scripture?

I think many people have a hard enough time reading, inwardly digesting, understanding the historical and cultural context of Scripture and actually being obedient to the word of G-d without imbibing information that could obstruct the flow of truth and bring futher unnecessary speculation and a degree of added confusion....it is so easy to run off at a tangent, and sometimes even fairly neutral and innocent fodder can bring about spiritual indigestion.

Well I would never recommend reading Enoch or any other extra biblical anything to someone brand new to Him and scriptures! I read Enoch many years ago it helped, for me, to fill out some things. I don't spend big amounts of time in those books either and don't recommend that either but I do find it a good resource book just as I go to the LXX which many seem to dislike as much as Enoch, for reasons I cannot even fathom. A discerning eye and a good grounding in scriptures is needed before one should read Enoch or even some of the big name christian writers, they can give one some strange ideas about what God is really telling us in scriptures.

Personally I do think Enoch has some good data in it for us to examine and since I do see the whole fallen angels in Gen. 6 as something that really happened it does seem Enoch had some insights into that is not written for us in scriptures, doesn't mean I take it as inspired and needs to be in scripture.

shalom,

Mizz

[enoob57]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

[goldust59]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone here is trying to add to the scriptures.

(side note: I think Rev 22:18 is speaking of the book of Revelation & not the Bible as a whole.)

[other one]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone that I read here adding to the Bible, but I would point out that the scripture in Rev 22 is speaking of the book of Revelation and not the whole Bible.

Surely I would hope you are not saying we should not take anything outside the Bible as being truthful or containing truths and that we should iglore any of it.

[Fez]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone that I read here adding to the Bible, but I would point out that the scripture in Rev 22 is speaking of the book of Revelation and not the whole Bible.

Surely I would hope you are not saying we should not take anything outside the Bible as being truthful or containing truths and that we should iglore any of it.

I think what he is saying that no matter what we read, we should test it against scripture. At least that is what I believe, except of course when I make the conscious choice to read a good work of fiction, be it crime, science fiction or fantasy. I mean, I have read L Ron Hubbard's science fiction stuff and it is a good read. I don't read anything more into it except that it is entertaining....

[enoob57]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone here is trying to add to the scriptures.

(side note: I think Rev 22:18 is speaking of the book of Revelation & not the Bible as a whole.)

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone that I read here adding to the Bible, but I would point out that the scripture in Rev 22 is speaking of the book of Revelation and not the whole Bible.

Surely I would hope you are not saying we should not take anything outside the Bible as being truthful or containing truths and that we should iglore any of it.

There is a great effort by satan to weaken the foundation of God by seeing that which is outside of the canon of Scripture to be seen as pertinent to and equal ground with said Scripture...

1Cor 3:9-17 Teaches that the foundation is the Creation His Word brought about testifies Rom 1 and the Son Himself The Living Word that Was God Jn 1 and the Written Word The Holy Spirit has

formed His voice to our ears through 2Tim 3:15-16... As to your statements The Great seal referring to only the book of Revelation bears no change for Revelation is the last canon-ed book and the seal is there upon it for the whole of the other (Gen-Jude) lies before it! The canon is complete-> God's Word is finished for Revelation takes us through to the Eternal State! For the simple reason 2 Tim 3:15-16 would be an incomplete statement if more could be said or new revelation still was yet to be given for all that God has said was to bring about completion...This makes our foundation an objective source and not an subjective one

Luke 6:46-49

46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great."

NKJV

Love Steven

[other one]

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone here is trying to add to the scriptures.

(side note: I think Rev 22:18 is speaking of the book of Revelation & not the Bible as a whole.)

I believe God teaches us to, with all that we are given, scrutinize what we take in to ourselves... It is the responsibility God has

given us to try and test all that is according to Gen-Rev for it is a closed canon! If you open it to add other things then you add

to that closed canon Rev 22 tells you what you can expect if you do! Love Steven

I don't think anyone that I read here adding to the Bible, but I would point out that the scripture in Rev 22 is speaking of the book of Revelation and not the whole Bible.

Surely I would hope you are not saying we should not take anything outside the Bible as being truthful or containing truths and that we should iglore any of it.

There is a great effort by satan to weaken the foundation of God by seeing that which is outside of the canon of Scripture to be seen as pertinent to and equal ground with said Scripture...

1Cor 3:9-17 Teaches that the foundation is the Creation His Word brought about testifies Rom 1 and the Son Himself The Living Word that Was God Jn 1 and the Written Word The Holy Spirit has

formed His voice to our ears through 2Tim 3:15-16... As to your statements The Great seal referring to only the book of Revelation bears no change for Revelation is the last canon-ed book and the seal is there upon it for the whole of the other (Gen-Jude) lies before it! The canon is complete-> God's Word is finished for Revelation takes us through to the Eternal State! For the simple reason 2 Tim 3:15-16 would be an incomplete statement if more could be said or new revelation still was yet to be given for all that God has said was to bring about completion...This makes our foundation an objective source and not an subjective one

Luke 6:46-49

46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great."

NKJV

Love Steven

so are you saying that people should not read or give any consideration to Enoch????

[goldust59]

brother enoob, given how you view extra-biblical writings, how do you feel about 'modern' (last few hundred years) commentary on the scriptures? I feel that some of them have added their own interpretations to the scriptures & have resulted in leading a lot of people away from what the scripture really means. Therefore the Body has become so separated by doctrines of men that becoming "One in Him' seems to be an impossible feat. ( Thank God that He is in charge of bringing this about & not man.)

I had much rather read from people that had, in my opinion, a much closer relationship with God than many can claim today. The Word of God says Enoch was a man of faith & 'walked with God' for 300 years. Do you think that was just thrown in as an interesting tidbit or was there a more substantial reason? I am examining the extra-biblical works in light of the scripture to see for myself whether there is anything to gain from them. After all Enoch was quoted by Jude as being prophetic.

Yes satan is ever working to deceive & we are to be guarding our hearts with all diligence. Just tune in to some of the "preachers" of today & really listen. There is so much subtle deception it turns the stomach!