Camping's new date

[OneLight]

The lesson he learned AJ is that "If at first you don't succeed, try and try again!" The scary this is, if he continues guessing, one of these times he may be right!

OneLight, I thought the saying was "if at first you don't succeed, then skydiving wasn't for you."

Yup, that too!

[rollinTHUNDER]

If you run into one of his followers ask them if they really believe that the culmination of all things, the Master Plan of all time, was not entrusted to Yeshua...but to Harold Camping.

He should be the only one "taken away" for this.

I presume you mean by the same guys that come searching for wyguy every now and again. You know, the ones that try and hide the straight jacket behind their backs as they surround him

I think Yod is referring to the belief that the in the rapture, wicked are taken, not the righteous. Hence if Camping needs to be taken...

The wicked are taken in the rapture? That's a new one to me. Surely you are just kidding candice, huh?

But if not, and someone does actually believe that, then how would they explain this?

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

yod, oh brother where art thou?

[Fez]

If you run into one of his followers ask them if they really believe that the culmination of all things, the Master Plan of all time, was not entrusted to Yeshua...but to Harold Camping.

He should be the only one "taken away" for this.

I presume you mean by the same guys that come searching for wyguy every now and again. You know, the ones that try and hide the straight jacket behind their backs as they surround him

I think Yod is referring to the belief that the in the rapture, wicked are taken, not the righteous. Hence if Camping needs to be taken...

The wicked are taken in the rapture? That's a new one to me. Surely you are just kidding candice, huh?

But if not, and someone does actually believe that, then how would they explain this?

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

yod, oh brother where art thou?

I wondered about that comment as well ~candice~ ?

[PeterH]

If you run into one of his followers ask them if they really believe that the culmination of all things, the Master Plan of all time, was not entrusted to Yeshua...but to Harold Camping.

He should be the only one "taken away" for this.

I presume you mean by the same guys that come searching for wyguy every now and again. You know, the ones that try and hide the straight jacket behind their backs as they surround him

I think Yod is referring to the belief that the in the rapture, wicked are taken, not the righteous. Hence if Camping needs to be taken...

The wicked are taken in the rapture? That's a new one to me. Surely you are just kidding candice, huh?

But if not, and someone does actually believe that, then how would they explain this?

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

yod, oh brother where art thou?

I wondered about that comment as well ~candice~ ?

I think some people think the "taken away" phrase refers back to Gen when the wicked where taken away by the flood.

[rollinTHUNDER]

I think some people think the "taken away" phrase refers back to Gen when the wicked where taken away by the flood.

Yup, I've seen where some try to make a case for that, but it doesn't fit. The question that needs to be settled, though, is this relating to the rapture, or the second coming, where Christ will judge the nations and separate the sheep from the goats?

Only one fits, if you are going to remove the wicked first. It can not be the rapture.

If you are viewing the flood in the days of Noah, I don't believe the wicked were taken anywhere. They were left to go through God's wrath, the very same way that those believers who are not ready will be left behind.

Now lets look at those who were taken.

Noah and his family were taken away in the ark. Now what's very interesting is that after it stopped raining, the ark was floating in the heavens, higher than all of the mountains of the earth. This is also were the clouds are as well, and where Jesus will be meeting those that are ready. Granted, Noah wasn't raptured, but he was taken up. That is the similarity. One major difference is the speed in which they get there. It took Noah 40 days and 40 nights to reach above the highest mountain, but those that are ready will get there in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. Neither Noah, or those who are ready for the rapture will go through God's wrath, but those that were/are left did/will.

I hope that helps. I go much deeper into this in my book, but I think you can see what I'm saying. It only makes sense one way.

[Guest]

I got a hunch his church will be pretty empty by October, or at least I'm beginning to hope so. But if not, maybe someone will kindly remind him what Jesus said in Matthew 24:36,

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

He hasn't stepped in a church since 1988 because thats when he believes Satan took over the church.

Satan took over the "church" a lot longer ago than that. Many in the Church today will be sorely surprised come the Rapture.

[nebula]

If you run into one of his followers ask them if they really believe that the culmination of all things, the Master Plan of all time, was not entrusted to Yeshua...but to Harold Camping.

He should be the only one "taken away" for this.

I think Yod is referring to the belief that the in the rapture, wicked are taken, not the righteous. Hence if Camping needs to be taken...

The wicked are taken in the rapture? That's a new one to me. Surely you are just kidding candice, huh?

Yes, it was explained in a previous thread (though that wasn't the first time it was discussed, but that was long ago).

"Taken away" in every other place in Scripture refers to being taken away in judgment.

The connection between being "taken away" and the "meeting the Lord in the air" is so ingrained in our theology that no one likes to question it, though. But Jesus never mentioned anything to suggest the righteous will be removed from the earth before the end comes.

[~candice~]

Try here, folks.

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?/topic/119040-the-one-shall-be-taken-and-the-other-left

[rollinTHUNDER]

Try here, folks.

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?/topic/119040-the-one-shall-be-taken-and-the-other-left

Thanks candice,

I replied to that thread in post #82. I was waiting to hear something from yod, but I don't know if he even saw my answer? They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

yod probably remembers me from years ago as a pre-tribber, which I no longer am. But I can see here, that this also creates a problem for post-tribbers, since they believe they will be raptured when Christ is returning to the earth at the second coming.

[~candice~]

Try here, folks.

http://www.worthychr...-the-other-left

Thanks candice,

I replied to that thread in post #82. I was waiting to hear something from yod, but I don't know if he even saw my answer? They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

yod probably remembers me from years ago as a pre-tribber, which I no longer am. But I can see here, that this also creates a problem for post-tribbers, since they believe they will be raptured when Christ is returning to the earth at the second coming.

He might not have seen it, rollinTHUNDER. If you really want to take it up with him, send him a pm but be patient, because he travels a lot.

God bless