hypnosis for pain

[Matthitjah]

I would not subject to another's suggestion. I have to agree with the others. We belong to Christ and we should be sober minded whilst allowing the Lord to rule over our hearts and minds.

I have been giving it some thought Dave. While my "method" is me alone doing it to a degree (does not always work), what about us having the Holy spirit indwelling? If we have the Holy Spirit in us, I don't think he is going to be affected by hypnosis?

I mean to say, hypnosis cannot influence ones Spirit, only our minds. And if we are filled with the Spirit we cannot even sub consciously, be made to do anything against our nature surely?

Could something be done to us? Maybe that is the danger?

Dunno, just posing a question I guess....

Brother,

I believe that your method would be called meditation. I see no problem with that. I believe in some sense that what you are talking about is taking control of your flesh and dominating it into submission. Paul speaks of this and it is merely concentration.

Like when we go to pray and 800 million other things pop into our minds. It takes discipline to overcome that and concentrate. I believe that when the believer speaks because of the indwelling of the Spirit of God powerful things happen.

What Jade is talking about is hypnosis by another which leaves our subconcious open to suggestion. That suggestion can take all kinds of forms. We are not sinless and I would submit that this is how the enemy causes us to stumble and sin. he comes with a suggestive temptation at the most base level.

We are to be wise to the enemies wiles.

2Co 2:11

Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Peace,

Dave

[Fez]

I would not subject to another's suggestion. I have to agree with the others. We belong to Christ and we should be sober minded whilst allowing the Lord to rule over our hearts and minds.

I have been giving it some thought Dave. While my "method" is me alone doing it to a degree (does not always work), what about us having the Holy spirit indwelling? If we have the Holy Spirit in us, I don't think he is going to be affected by hypnosis?

I mean to say, hypnosis cannot influence ones Spirit, only our minds. And if we are filled with the Spirit we cannot even sub consciously, be made to do anything against our nature surely?

Could something be done to us? Maybe that is the danger?

Dunno, just posing a question I guess....

Brother,

I believe that your method would be called meditation. I see no problem with that. I believe in some sense that what you are talking about is taking control of your flesh and dominating it into submission. Paul speaks of this and it is merely concentration.

Like when we go to pray and 800 million other things pop into our minds. It takes discipline to overcome that and concentrate. I believe that when the believer speaks because of the indwelling of the Spirit of God powerful things happen.

What Jade is talking about is hypnosis by another which leaves our subconcious open to suggestion. That suggestion can take all kinds of forms. We are not sinless and I would submit that this is how the enemy causes us to stumble and sin. he comes with a suggestive temptation at the most base level.

We are to be wise to the enemies wiles.

2Co 2:11

Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Peace,

Dave

I am not disagreeing with you, just interested to see where this would go I would not subject myself to hypnosis by another.

Other one

I have had cronic knee pain off and on since I had knee surgery in the Air Force in the late 60's. Some weeks it's particullary painful and if I try very hard I can decide that the pain feels good and a while later I'm not paying attention to it.

I know that sounds dumb, but for me it does work part of the time.

Does sound kind of dumb, and I find it hard to explain to people as well. But it is something I have worked on for a long while now, and it sometimes works.

I never thought of it in the terms Dave explains - domination of the flesh. But that makes sense.

Now just imagine if we could get it right not just for pain, but for the sin in our lives.

One lives in hope.....

[esyflw]

I remember I had to write a topic on Hypnosis for my English class. Fears on hypnosis are from Hollywood like stories. Depending on how tired you are before going in, you are fully conscience during the session. If they suggest anything you didn't want to hear, then you are not relaxed. And therefore that suggestion wont work. You can hear what suggestions that are giving to you and if the therapist isn't going to give you what you want, then he wont get paid.

People make poor choices in their lives and its because they make those choices while they are in some sort of an emotional state. For example, it is really hard to put down a cigarette when you are in an emotional pain or falling out of love with a spouse abuser. Hypnosis is about bringing you into some relax state. From there all your anxieties are down and will allow the person performing the hypnosis to say a few calming words. The words you will hear are the same wisdom you have heard from time and time again but the theory goes that once it is said while you are relaxed, it'll have better chance to stick to your conscience. So for example the next time you pick up a cigarette or grabbing a pain pill or facing an abuser, your thoughts are clearer to counter the lure of your habit.

Real pain is real pain. No amount of hypnosis will have you ignore it. So make sure you take the require amount of medicine. But if your point is you are taking a large amount of medicine to remedy a small amount of pain, I can see how hypnosis may help.

[Matthitjah]

I would not subject to another's suggestion. I have to agree with the others. We belong to Christ and we should be sober minded whilst allowing the Lord to rule over our hearts and minds.

I have been giving it some thought Dave. While my "method" is me alone doing it to a degree (does not always work), what about us having the Holy spirit indwelling? If we have the Holy Spirit in us, I don't think he is going to be affected by hypnosis?

I mean to say, hypnosis cannot influence ones Spirit, only our minds. And if we are filled with the Spirit we cannot even sub consciously, be made to do anything against our nature surely?

Could something be done to us? Maybe that is the danger?

Dunno, just posing a question I guess....

Brother,

I believe that your method would be called meditation. I see no problem with that. I believe in some sense that what you are talking about is taking control of your flesh and dominating it into submission. Paul speaks of this and it is merely concentration.

Like when we go to pray and 800 million other things pop into our minds. It takes discipline to overcome that and concentrate. I believe that when the believer speaks because of the indwelling of the Spirit of God powerful things happen.

What Jade is talking about is hypnosis by another which leaves our subconcious open to suggestion. That suggestion can take all kinds of forms. We are not sinless and I would submit that this is how the enemy causes us to stumble and sin. he comes with a suggestive temptation at the most base level.

We are to be wise to the enemies wiles.

2Co 2:11

Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Peace,

Dave

I am not disagreeing with you, just interested to see where this would go I would not subject myself to hypnosis by another.

Other one

I have had cronic knee pain off and on since I had knee surgery in the Air Force in the late 60's. Some weeks it's particullary painful and if I try very hard I can decide that the pain feels good and a while later I'm not paying attention to it.

I know that sounds dumb, but for me it does work part of the time.

Does sound kind of dumb, and I find it hard to explain to people as well. But it is something I have worked on for a long while now, and it sometimes works.

I never thought of it in the terms Dave explains - domination of the flesh. But that makes sense.

Now just imagine if we could get it right not just for pain, but for the sin in our lives.

One lives in hope.....

I'm not disagreeing with you either brother.

[~candice~]

What about hypnosis by a Christian?

As for subliminal messages, I think y'all are crazy if you think you aren't inundated by them all day every day.

[Fez]

What about hypnosis by a Christian?

As for subliminal messages, I think y'all are crazy if you think you aren't inundated by them all day every day.

Yep we are, in most advertising for instance.

Candice you are feeling sleeepy, very sleeeeepy, your eyes are getting heavy.

[~candice~]

What about hypnosis by a Christian?

As for subliminal messages, I think y'all are crazy if you think you aren't inundated by them all day every day.

Yep we are, in most advertising for instance.

Candice you are feeling sleeepy, very sleeeeepy, your eyes are getting heavy.

Yeah, I agree, we are inunZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ayin jade]

What about hypnosis by a Christian?

As for subliminal messages, I think y'all are crazy if you think you aren't inundated by them all day every day.

Yes andy pretirb rapture there are sublimal messages pretrib rapture everywhere. Although pretrib rapture they are pretrib rapture outlawed in US pretrib rapture advertizements.

[other one]

Hummmm. pre trib rapture...... wonder why I would start thinking about that.....

[ayin jade]

You mentioned knee pain. I am not one to tout the "herbals" or "nutriceuticals" normally but good studies have shown that glucosamine sulfate (not the hydrochloride) 1500 mg per day (not the higher amounts the bottle may tell you to take) improves functionality and reduces pain by 20-40plus%.