Bold Believer Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted July 27, 2011 There is some (I believe legitimate) question as to whether Satan and the being Lucifer described in Isaiah are one and the same. Satan is a title, not a given name. Satan is Hebrew for adversary. It is used 15 times in the entire Old Testament. Lucifer means light-bearer and is rendered Heylel. It is used exactly once in all of Scripture. I am personally not 100% convinced that Satan's 'name' is Lucifer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Here is an interesting take: The Name "Lucifer" <<--LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiloh62 Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,683 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/14/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/14/1962 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Its the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Here is an interesting take: The Name "Lucifer" <<--LINK If you don't want to read the article - note this: The Hebrew word is: הילל - "heylel" Because this word is only found once in Scripture, it is difficult to find the actual meaning beyond it's word origin. See here It's word origin is: הלל - "halal" Here are the different translations for "halal" - KJV (165) - boast, 10; celebrate, 1; commended, 2; foolish, 3; fools, 2; give, 1; glory, 14; mad, 8; marriage, 1; praise, 117; rage, 2; renowned, 1; shine, 3 NAS (165) - acted insanely, 1; arrogant, 1; boast, 9; boasted, 1; boastful, 3; boasts, 3; boasts boast, 1; deride, 1; drive madly, 1; flash forth, 2; give praise, 1; giving praise, 1; glory, 8; go mad, 1; going mad, 1; mad, 1; madness, 1; make its boast, 1; makes a mad, 1; makes fools, 1; making fools, 1; offers praises, 1; praise, 90; praised, 20; praises, 1; praising, 5; race madly, 1; renowned, 1; sang praises, 1; shone, 2; sing praises, 1; wedding songs, 1 Source So for whatever reason, the translator(s) into the Latin Vulgate chose the application of "shine" and for whatever reason translated this into "Light bearer" - which is "Lucifer" in Latin. So whether or not the passage is speaking of Satan, Satan himself is not nor has ever been named "Lucifer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldzimm Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,874 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 348 Days Won: 12 Joined: 03/10/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/08/1955 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Never gave it much thought, but I always thought they were one in the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Lucifer before the fall then Satan, devil and in Revelation Apollyon/Abaddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Lucifer before the fall then Satan, devil and in Revelation Apollyon/Abaddon I believe you're correct, Littlelambs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 27, 2011 How does "heylel" become "Lucifer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,181 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,907 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Every lexicon I have says it's Lucifer, light bringer, light bearer or such. i would add that back when I was messing with the dark side, they say that Lucifer and Satan are two different entities...... but you just gotta know they lie a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Lucifer before the fall then Satan, devil and in Revelation Apollyon/Abaddon I agree. His nature changed and his office did too, so too his name. We see this throughout scripture. Jacob became Israel. Afterall, he was the covering chrub. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine his name having to do with Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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