The Most Hated People on Earth

[Guest yod]

I love Messianic Jews, but I have noticed that many groups that claim to be Messianic twist torah with grace, and also separate themselves from the rest of the body because Christians are not following torah. I have lost many friends who went down that road also, and it's really sad. I think it's a demonic spirit because I have seen the same manifestation in many believers. It starts with superior knowledge and pride in knowing the jewish roots and torah and then they start thinking other Christians are not of the body because they are not torah obervant, then further down that road, they end up rejecting Pauls letters, and their salvation becomes works based instead of grace, then further down that road rejecting the Messiah. These groups I believe cause the most separation between Messianic and Christians, on one side Christians are rejected because they are not torah observant, on the other side Christians see these groups and believe all messianics are like that and therefore, stay away. The Holy Days, and the sabbath are a blessing to observe, and really enriching to my faith, but they have no effect on my salvation. I am saved through Christ alone, and my righteousness is based on His righteousness instead of my own.

Hey Josh,

good to see you, bro!

Of those you've mentioned, how many are actually jewish?

I find that once a congregation starts going down the orthopractic road, they have to make a decision at some point who they are going to follow. The rabbis of Judaism are the only people making rulings on halacha, so if one is consulting them on questions of kashrut or liturgy or other related topics, then one will have to break company with them sooner or later....or deny Yeshua.

My rabbis are Kefa, Shaul, Ya'acov, Timothy, Luke, Yochanan. They made a break with the orthodox 2,000 years ago and it cost them their lives. I wouldn't want to betray them by obeying those who killed them.

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[Joshua-777]

I love Messianic Jews, but I have noticed that many groups that claim to be Messianic twist torah with grace, and also separate themselves from the rest of the body because Christians are not following torah. I have lost many friends who went down that road also, and it's really sad. I think it's a demonic spirit because I have seen the same manifestation in many believers. It starts with superior knowledge and pride in knowing the jewish roots and torah and then they start thinking other Christians are not of the body because they are not torah obervant, then further down that road, they end up rejecting Pauls letters, and their salvation becomes works based instead of grace, then further down that road rejecting the Messiah. These groups I believe cause the most separation between Messianic and Christians, on one side Christians are rejected because they are not torah observant, on the other side Christians see these groups and believe all messianics are like that and therefore, stay away. The Holy Days, and the sabbath are a blessing to observe, and really enriching to my faith, but they have no effect on my salvation. I am saved through Christ alone, and my righteousness is based on His righteousness instead of my own.

Hey Josh,

good to see you, bro!

Of those you've mentioned, how many are actually jewish?

I find that once a congregation starts going down the orthopractic road, they have to make a decision at some point who they are going to follow. The rabbis of Judaism are the only people making rulings on halacha, so if one is consulting them on questions of kashrut or liturgy or other related topics, then one will have to break company with them sooner or later....or deny Yeshua.

My rabbis are Kefa, Shaul, Ya'acov, Timothy, Luke, Yochanan. They made a break with the orthodox 2,000 years ago and it cost them their lives. I wouldn't want to betray them by obeying those who killed them.

.

Hey brother

Of those I've mentioned, not sure if any of them actually are Jewish, they just stumbled upon the Jewish roots, and hold those roots higher than Yeshua and His love. It's sad that they give such a strong false representation of Messianic.

I dig your Rabbis! amen!

[Guest yod]

Of those I've mentioned, not sure if any of them actually are Jewish, they just stumbled upon the Jewish roots, and hold those roots higher than Yeshua and His love. It's sad that they give such a strong false representation of Messianic.

I find that messianic congregations that are led by jewish people know the intent and purpose of the Law. Trying to understand the jewish scriptures apart from a jewish person teaching them is where most of those legalistic places start going wrong. There is a lot "hebrew roots" teaching going on that is just not what messianic judaism is about. They are almost always gentiles who self-proclaim themselves "hebrew scholars" and really nothing more than cults. On the other hand, when it is (mostly) jewish people in charge of leading a congregation, they already know the pain of being rejected by their families and the most important thing to them is the salvation of other jews, which is how and WHY the modern-day messianic movement began. They keep the main thing, the main thing; and everything else balances out.

Just gaining knowledge about the things hidden from christianity in the scriptures will only puff a person up if it isn't mixed with grace and love.

[Joshua-777]

Just gaining knowledge about the things hidden from christianity in the scriptures will only puff a person up if it isn't mixed with grace and love.

Amen

[madmaggie]

This may be true today, "The truth is that the most hated people on the face of the earth are the Messianic Jews! ", however, in time all of us who stand up for Jesus, will be taking their place on that most hated list.

Dennis.

Amen!

[Guest yod]

This may be true today, "The truth is that the most hated people on the face of the earth are the Messianic Jews! ", however, in time all of us who stand up for Jesus, will be taking their place on that most hated list.

Dennis.

Amen!

History doesn't bear that out.

It is a true statement that those who are victimized, usually become perpetrators themselves.

Unfortunately, it has happened many times in history

[Ariux]

The truth is that the most hated people on the face of the earth are the Messianic Jews!

Messianic Jews have created a third religion out of Judaism and Christianity. Therefor, it is most reasonable that Jews and Christians fault Messianic Jews, but that doesn't mean that Messianic Jews are hated. Yet, when a Christian is listing cults, they'll say something like Mormonism long before Messianic Judaism.

[OneLight]

The truth is that the most hated people on the face of the earth are the Messianic Jews!

Messianic Jews have created a third religion out of Judaism and Christianity. Therefor, it is most reasonable that Jews and Christians fault Messianic Jews, but that doesn't mean that Messianic Jews are hated. Yet, when a Christian is listing cults, they'll say something like Mormonism long before Messianic Judaism.

Welcome Ariux.

You will find that blanket statements are usually a dead end. I, being a Christian, don't fault the Messianic Jews for anything. Neither do I see them as a cult.

[nebula]

Messianic Jews have created a third religion out of Judaism and Christianity.

A third religion?

What we call Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism. Everything about it was Jewish; nothing or hardly anything about Christianity today looks remotely Jewish - apart from some groups and churches trying to get back to the roots of our faith.

Therefor, it is most reasonable that Jews and Christians fault Messianic Jews, but that doesn't mean that Messianic Jews are hated. Yet, when a Christian is listing cults, they'll say something like Mormonism long before Messianic Judaism.

If that is your evidence to support your claim, it is a weak argument.

[Ariux]

A third religion?

What we call Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism. Everything about it was Jewish; nothing or hardly anything about Christianity today looks remotely Jewish - apart from some groups and churches trying to get back to the roots of our faith.

If that is your evidence to support your claim, it is a weak argument.

I sense more hostility and paranoia here than what's at a Louis Farrakhan rally (where you can also find people claiming to be the most hated people on Earth who also claim to be closer to the true religion than everyone else). Is this a Christian forum or forum for insecure Messianic Jews?