Palestinians warn Obama not to stand in way of statehood

[Guest shiloh357]

This is what happens when you cowtow and even bow to foreign leaders. When you project weakness in both policy and action bullies will take full advantage of it.

Tautology alert! To kowtow means to bow, albeit in a very exaggerated bow which involves kneeling down and touching he ground with your forehead.

As to the main topic the Palestinian authority doesn't have the clout to bully Obama. However much personal amenity there is between them, Bibi will be the foreign leader he'll listen to on this.

I, of course, hope I'm wrong on this, even though I don't think recognition by the UN is much more than a propaganda stunt. All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

Won't happen.....ever. The solution would be to pack up the alleged Palestinians and dump them in Jordan and Syria where they belong, then to raze the territories and rebuild that area for Jewish settlers. Why the Israelis suffer squatters on their land baffles me.

You are right. That is the best solution. Israel suffers them because Israel cares too much about world opinion.

The Palestinians have no right to be there, most them are not refugees anyway. They are children and grandchildren of a group of Arabs that the rest of the Arab world turned into refugees when they tried to destroy Israel.

The Arabs created the refugee crisis and it is unfair for the world to expect Israel to resolve a refugee problem they did not create.

[amor]

This is what happens when you cowtow and even bow to foreign leaders. When you project weakness in both policy and action bullies will take full advantage of it.

Tautology alert! To kowtow means to bow, albeit in a very exaggerated bow which involves kneeling down and touching he ground with your forehead.

As to the main topic the Palestinian authority doesn't have the clout to bully Obama. However much personal amenity there is between them, Bibi will be the foreign leader he'll listen to on this.

I, of course, hope I'm wrong on this, even though I don't think recognition by the UN is much more than a propaganda stunt. All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

Won't happen.....ever. The solution would be to pack up the alleged Palestinians and dump them in Jordan and Syria where they belong, then to raze the territories and rebuild that area for Jewish settlers. Why the Israelis suffer squatters on their land baffles me. :no idea:

It will happen sooner or later because it's in the political and economic interests of all those involved. As to your solution, well I don't think that those Israelis living within the 1967 frontiers, that's an overwhelming majority, or even those settlers who's primary objective is a decent lifestyle would want the war and economic boycott and collapse that would result from such a clearance. There are Palestinians and Israelis with silly irredentist dreams, but the vast majority on both sides will settle for an agreement that offers peace and prosperity.

[Guest shiloh357]

It will happen sooner or later because it's in the political and economic interests of all those involved.

Hundreds of $ Billions have been poured into the Palestinians and they still have nothing to show for it. The money was either squandered to make weapons to kill Jews or it went to line the pockets of their terrorist thug leaders. The Palestinians have proven that they cannot run a country if they had one. Their rulers are not interested in what is best for the people. They have ONE agenda and that is the destruction of the state of Israel. If the Palestinians get their own nation, they have no money to run it. Who will lead it??? Hamas??? Fatah??? They have proven they cannot get along and neither will submit to the other.

It would be financially better for Israel as they would not have sqatters living off the backs of Israeli tax payers and using up Israel's social services, but the Palestinians would not benefit financialy at all. In fact, they would return to the inhumane brutality they faced when they were under Jordanian and Egyptian control (but no one wants to talk about what it was like for the Pallies living under Arab rule )

And when the Palestinians get their nation, launching rockets and mortars on Israeli towns will no longer be seen as "terrorist attacks." They will be acts of war against which Israel will be fully within their rights to respond to with crushing military force and any territory that Israel takes in self defense, becomes sovereign Israeli land by international law.

[Matthitjah]

There are Palestinians and Israelis with silly irredentist dreams,

Then's there's God;

Ge 13:15

For all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your descendants forever.

Sounds like your quarrel is with the Lord God almighty then Amor. Good Luck with that.

P.S. There will be a two state anti-christ solution, but God say's that He will annul their contract with death. (Ah' but Diotrephes does in fact love to put himself first. )

Peace,

Dave

[nebula]

All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Palestinian leaders - political or religious - want the existence of the Israeli state.

[Guest]

All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Palestinian leaders - political or religious - want the existence of the Israeli state.

I Haven't Seen Any Evidence That The Palestinian Or Any Of The Other Islamic Leaders - Political Or Religious

They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion. Jeremiah 6:23

Advocate The Existence Of Any Jew In Israel

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. Zechariah 12:2

Or Anywhere Upon Planet Earth

Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. Jeremiah 16:16

Except As Slaves

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. Joel 3:2-3

To Islam

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6

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May The LORD Jesus The Messiah Have Mercy On The Enslaved Palestinian

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

And Upon The Precious Jew

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:19-20

In Yeshua's Holy Name

Amen

[amor]

All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Palestinian leaders - political or religious - want the existence of the Israeli state.

Most palestinians and most Israelis both amongst the people and the political classes accept the inevitability of a two state solution. The Oslo accords were a clear example of this. As to your use of the words "want", well we often accept the that compromise means we don't get all we want. I don't suppose Netanayahu really wants a Palestinian state, but I'm sure he sees it as the least worse solution.

[other one]

All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Palestinian leaders - political or religious - want the existence of the Israeli state.

Most palestinians and most Israelis both amongst the people and the political classes accept the inevitability of a two state solution. The Oslo accords were a clear example of this. As to your use of the words "want", well we often accept the that compromise means we don't get all we want. I don't suppose Netanayahu really wants a Palestinian state, but I'm sure he sees it as the least worse solution.

I don't think you have a grasp on either sides real feelings....

[nebula]

Most palestinians and most Israelis both amongst the people and the political classes accept the inevitability of a two state solution. The Oslo accords were a clear example of this. As to your use of the words "want", well we often accept the that compromise means we don't get all we want. I don't suppose Netanayahu really wants a Palestinian state, but I'm sure he sees it as the least worse solution.

Can you provide any evidence that the Palestinian leadership has any plans for the continued existence of Israel?

[Guest shiloh357]

All those involved, even Netanayahu, know that only solution to this problem is a negotiated two (viable) states agreement.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Palestinian leaders - political or religious - want the existence of the Israeli state.

Most palestinians and most Israelis both amongst the people and the political classes accept the inevitability of a two state solution. The Oslo accords were a clear example of this. As to your use of the words "want", well we often accept the that compromise means we don't get all we want. I don't suppose Netanayahu really wants a Palestinian state, but I'm sure he sees it as the least worse solution.

Most Palestinians do not want a two state solution. The Israelis who do support a two-state solution do so but only with a number of important qualifers. That you have to reach all the way back to 1993 and Oslo really shows how out of touch you are, amor. Oslo was violated by the Palestinians before the ink on paper was dry.

The Palestinians have proven over and over that they cannot be trusted to keep ONE promise the make in negotiations. The fact that the Palestinians in Gaza, when given the chance, elected the most bloodthirsty terririst regime in the middleeast to be their reprsentative gov't says a lot. They elected as their representatives, a regime that is dedicated to the annihilation of Israel and the etermination of the Jewish people. They said, with their vote, that Hamas represents their values and their posture toward Israel.

Frankly amor, you do not have a competent grasp on the dynamics of this issue.