The Purpose of the Tribulation

[mizzdy]

Is the Great Tribulation the same as Gods Wrath?

I've never seen a scripture supporting this and I don't believe it.

Does Rev. 6:16,17 not explain this?

The context of these verses are that its men who are saying these things and not that the wrath of God has come yet. These earthly kings see destruction happening, they see the falling of the economy, the way of life they so love, the see God's judgments coming and want to be hidden from it, not that the great trib nor the wrath has come yet. We have been in constant tribulations since Messiah rose to the heavenly throne room, and we are told over and over again many things must happen and then the 'great tribulation' will come and with it it refines Gods chosen, then when Gods chosen are then protected from His wrath, the bowl judgements will occur on those not sealed each one of those going through the bowl judgments will have one final chance to choose life or death.

shalom,

Mizz

[Littlelambseativy]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

[mizzdy]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

[goldust59]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

I agree mizzdy. I believe we are here & protected during the wrath because after the 6th vial/bowl is poured out, we see in Rev 16:15, " Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." This indicates to me that the saints are still here. I believe we are protected by being "in Christ"

[Littlelambseativy]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

I agree mizzdy. I believe we are here & protected during the wrath because after the 6th vial/bowl is poured out, we see in Rev 16:15, " Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." This indicates to me that the saints are still here. I believe we are protected by being "in Christ"

How can we be protected if the Restrainer is gone? Would our Lord leave us without the Holy Spirit? No groom would leave his bride at the mercy of his enemy why would Christ?

Are you men better than the Lord or are you women willing to settle for anything less in a groom? I certainly am not. My Bridegroom knows the danger that I face with the Holy Spirit removed and He will come and take me from the harm His enemy would inflict on me.

I know this for an absolute certainty and not a shadow of a doubt.

[Joshua-777]

Is the Great Tribulation the same as Gods Wrath?

I've never seen a scripture supporting this and I don't believe it.

Great Tribulation = Peak of Satans Wrath.

Day of the Lord = God's wrath

Two totally different things; we should never attribute the wickedness of satan to God. God's wrath is agains tall unrighteousness, but satans wrath is agains the saints.

Satans wrath

Revelation 13:6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Gods wrath

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

[Matthitjah]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

I agree mizzdy. I believe we are here & protected during the wrath because after the 6th vial/bowl is poured out, we see in Rev 16:15, " Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." This indicates to me that the saints are still here. I believe we are protected by being "in Christ"

How can we be protected if the Restrainer is gone? Would our Lord leave us without the Holy Spirit? No groom would leave his bride at the mercy of his enemy why would Christ?

Are you men better than the Lord or are you women willing to settle for anything less in a groom? I certainly am not. My Bridegroom knows the danger that I face with the Holy Spirit removed and He will come and take me from the harm His enemy would inflict on me.

I know this for an absolute certainty and not a shadow of a doubt.

Why would the Holy Spirit leave?

Who say's the "he who restraineth" is the Holy Spirit?"

[Joshua-777]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

I agree mizzdy. I believe we are here & protected during the wrath because after the 6th vial/bowl is poured out, we see in Rev 16:15, " Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." This indicates to me that the saints are still here. I believe we are protected by being "in Christ"

How can we be protected if the Restrainer is gone? Would our Lord leave us without the Holy Spirit? No groom would leave his bride at the mercy of his enemy why would Christ?

Are you men better than the Lord or are you women willing to settle for anything less in a groom? I certainly am not. My Bridegroom knows the danger that I face with the Holy Spirit removed and He will come and take me from the harm His enemy would inflict on me.

I know this for an absolute certainty and not a shadow of a doubt.

We are caught up with the Lord when He comes.

Luke 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

I think we will go through the tribulation but I think that He will empower us to go through it. I believe during the tribulation the Church is going to walk in the fullness of Christ.

[mizzdy]

Yes, but is the Wrath of God not going to be poured out during the 'time' of the Tribulation?

The Tribulation period starts with the Rapture and the Holy Spirit no longer sealing the elect. Life at that point ceases to be as good as it is currently indicating the Wrath of God is being poured out. The Restrainer is limited allowing the release of all evil and God's anger on those who chose not to accept Jesus Christ.

I do not hold to a pretrib rapture of anykind, not saying you or anyone else has to agree with that. As I said we have been in a tribulation since Adam was kicked out of the garden, the great tribulation spoken of is not the wrath of God, the bowl judgments are His wrath. During the great trib we all will be here, this is the time of Gods refinement of His bride, casting off those who are lukewarm, those who truly have not given themselves fully over to His will. But to think that we all are going to escape this great tribulation is not in scripture, no matter how many times someone can turn and use scriptures to find some escape avenue. Just as God lifted up Noah, or how God kept those safe in Goshen as the angel of death passed over, God will protect us during the time the angels are pouring out the judgments on those who have not bowed to Him.

shalom,

Mizz

I agree mizzdy. I believe we are here & protected during the wrath because after the 6th vial/bowl is poured out, we see in Rev 16:15, " Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." This indicates to me that the saints are still here. I believe we are protected by being "in Christ"

How can we be protected if the Restrainer is gone? Would our Lord leave us without the Holy Spirit? No groom would leave his bride at the mercy of his enemy why would Christ?

Are you men better than the Lord or are you women willing to settle for anything less in a groom? I certainly am not. My Bridegroom knows the danger that I face with the Holy Spirit removed and He will come and take me from the harm His enemy would inflict on me.

I know this for an absolute certainty and not a shadow of a doubt.

The Spirit resides within us, why would God remove that from us? Where exactly does it say that it is the Holy Spirit that restrains? Yeshua will come for His bride, we will be taken to Him, protected by Him during the wrath that is poured out but we will be here during the great tribulation. By the blood of Yeshua we are saved from Gods wrath.

shalom,

Mizz

[Littlelambseativy]

The Holy Spirit will be at work during the Tribulation but He will not seal anyone during the Tribulation.