Is The Virgin Mary Sinless?

[nebula]

So you think only the fathers pass down sin nature?

Well, until we see a person born without a father's seed, we'll never be able to test the theory.

nebula, it has been proven in Christ, no earthly Father, no sin.

Well, firstly I should have typed "another person." Sorry.

Secondly - well, being God wasn't enough?

[He giveth more grace]

Secondly - well, being God wasn't enough?

Well Yeah!

[other one]

Something to think about: Eve was not alive when God told Adam not to eat of the fruit, and by the conversation between Eve and the Devil, it seems that she didn't receive correct knowledge about the tree for she was of the opinion that she would die if she even touched the fruit...... so the devil used that situation to entice her to eat of the fruit and it is my personaly opinion that since Adam had not properly told her of the fruit that she was not held responsible for her actions.

It seems only fair to me that a just God would lay the blame where it needed. Adam knew not to do so no matter what and did it anyway..... and here we are today stil dealing with it.

[enoob57]

Mary could not be sinless as she was not divine. She was in the same boat as the rest of us......only Jesus Himself walked the earth in that perfect state.

You shall have no other god's before ME... not even Mary His Mother.... Love, Steven

[He giveth more grace]

You shall have no other god's before ME... not even Mary His Mother.... Love, Steven

Right you are, Steven, and Mary is not the mother of God, because Christ existed from Eternity pass, she just gave him flesh.

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

I recently stumbled on to this question and people have different opinions on this subject.

Was the Virgin Mary sinless or not?

Some of the answers I have heard range from a Catholic view to what is in the Bible.

Any thoughts here?

Here's what Martin Luther said:

"It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin. She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil."

-(Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” December [?] 1527; from Hartmann Grisar, S.J., from the German Werke, Erlangen, 1826-1868, edited by J.G. Plochmann and J.A. Irmischer,

And where does the Bible say that Luther's ideas are truth?

I know where the Bible says that the Bible is truth, but Luther's misconceptions don't seem to be supported by any verses.

"There is no one righteous, not even one;

there is no one who understands;

there is no one who seeks God.

All have turned away,

they have together become worthless;

there is no one who does good,

not even one" (Romans 3: 10-12).

So, would you conclude that there was one?

But anyways chesterton, are you suggesting now that Luther is some kind of authority? If so, do you know what else he said?

[Isaiah 6:8]

I recently stumbled on to this question and people have different opinions on this subject.

Was the Virgin Mary sinless or not?

Some of the answers I have heard range from a Catholic view to what is in the Bible.

Any thoughts here?

Here's what Martin Luther said:

"It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary’s soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God’s gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin. She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God’s grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil."

-(Sermon: “On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God,” December [?] 1527; from Hartmann Grisar, S.J., from the German Werke, Erlangen, 1826-1868, edited by J.G. Plochmann and J.A. Irmischer,

Here's a great analysis of the biblical basis for this belief:

*Edit* Link Removed. Chesterton you know better no catholic apologetic links.

BTW I don't really care what the Martin Luther said, I only care what the Bible says. The Bible says that "ALL", that means "All" have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

BTW I don't really care what the Martin Luther said, I only care what the Bible says. The Bible says that "ALL", that means "All" have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Isaiah, doesn't it beg the question of who does care what Luther said?

I mean, if we don't care then it must be chesterton who cares... except we know he doesn't...

Some honesty and consistency would be nice. Too much to ask, maybe?

[mizzdy]

I'm shutting this down right now until we can get it cleaned up. Please oh please lets not make this yet another bashing thread! No more catholic apologetic sites, no more getting personal with one another either.

[mizzdy]

I deleted the offensive posts. Grace goes along way in how we talk to one another! We are not Yeshua, we are not to take whips to one another in any shape or form. Address the op, keep it on topic and any and all bashing will not be tolerated by anyone. Catholic bashing, catholic apologetics will not be put up with period. Stick to scriptures please, if you do put a link up make sure you think twice about what it contains.

shalom,

Mizzdy