Were the wise men Christians

[nebula]

but the point I am making is that the unusualness of the stars would have made them take the trip. The alignments were very rare.

But do you not think it possible they utilized the writings of Daniel and perhaps other Hebrew prophets that may have been left with Daniel to aid in their interpretation of those alignments?

[other one]

but the point I am making is that the unusualness of the stars would have made them take the trip. The alignments were very rare.

But do you not think it possible they utilized the writings of Daniel and perhaps other Hebrew prophets that may have been left with Daniel to aid in their interpretation of those alignments?

I don't remember what I've read in scripture about what Daniel told people, and what I've read in other places. It's hard to keep them separate sometimes. I'd have to go back and re read Daniel. Problem is that it's kind of hard for me to be sure just what Daniel did actually tell them concerning scripture. Maybe you can help for I have several books loaned out that I may not see for a year.

What did Daniel tell them that we know of out of scripture?

[mizzdy]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

We know that Daniel was one of the many 'prophets', it does seem he was favored because he could correctly tell the dreams and such of men. Theres a lot of junk on the net about it and reading through them is like putting a puzzle together but for me and the reading I have done I can see Daniel teaching the scriptures to these men. These men may or may not have mixed it up with their own mysticism as well as there being a sect who did know and believe Daniel when he told them of a coming King and Savior. Scripture doesn't outline it for us yet I think we can see that the men must have come from the regions where Daniel and the rest of Judah were dispersed, Daniel being taken into the court and put with the rest of the magicians it seems logical that is where the magi learned of the coming Messiah. There would have been no other reason for them to have travelled that far just because of a star, that was the only sign of His birth, makes sense to me.

shalom,

Mizz

They are astrologist's, Mizz. The Stars are a very large part of their religion. I'd have to go back and check but I don't recall Daniels Messiah being king of the world, just Israel.

The stars control daily life of a Zoroastrian, and the star configuration that I'm told happened in 3 bce was something very special..... and to a star believer it was of the greatest importance.

I have read about Zorastraism. Daniel would have told them of the coming Messiah, probably even the arrangments of the stars being magi or whatever they were called then knowing how others saw the stars and the stories told in different regions and beliefs was more likely important and incorporated somehow. And after all the sightings of the moons, etc. were important to all people who farmed, travelled etc. Its my firm belief the whole of creation and the plan of God is written in the stars and thats not astrology. There were also other prophets and those who still read the Torah, still followed YHWH so the notion of a Saving King might have been heard and learned of also. If Daniel had told them of it they would have been looking for it, waiting to go and visit this long sought after King and the gifts they brought show they were not just following some special star but a star of a King they brought gifts for a King, for a priest and even for burial. I lean towards them knowing the story even if they did not understand it in its completeness.

shalom,

Mizz

[nebula]

but the point I am making is that the unusualness of the stars would have made them take the trip. The alignments were very rare.

But do you not think it possible they utilized the writings of Daniel and perhaps other Hebrew prophets that may have been left with Daniel to aid in their interpretation of those alignments?

I don't remember what I've read in scripture about what Daniel told people, and what I've read in other places. It's hard to keep them separate sometimes. I'd have to go back and re read Daniel. Problem is that it's kind of hard for me to be sure just what Daniel did actually tell them concerning scripture. Maybe you can help for I have several books loaned out that I may not see for a year.

What did Daniel tell them that we know of out of scripture?

The Scriptures don't tell us anything about what Daniel did during his years of service beyond the times he spoke for the Lord and for when he was thrown in the lion's den.

However, considering the prestige he had, it's hard to imagine he had no religious influence on the other wise men, nor that he didn't train any of them, nor that what he wrote wasn't kept in the library of something.

[other one]

http://www.askelm.com/star/star002.htm

Mizz, you might be interested in this chapter of Dr. Martin's book about the star of David and the birth of Christ.

This book http://www.askelm.com/star/index.asp has some interesting information about this whole subject.

Dr, Martin says that they were expecting a King that would be the leader of the world, but I can't trace that belief back to Daniel in scripture. Other books of Zoroaster-ism I would not promote here for they are serious occultism...

[Guest]

.... That is what I said Neb. but the point I am making is that the unusualness of the stars would have made them take the trip. The alignments were very rare.....

What Kind Of Star

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Matthew 2:1-2

Is This?

When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Matthew 2:9-11

[mizzdy]

http://www.askelm.com/star/star002.htm

Mizz, you might be interested in this chapter of Dr. Martin's book about the star of David and the birth of Christ.

This book http://www.askelm.com/star/index.asp has some interesting information about this whole subject.

Dr, Martin says that they were expecting a King that would be the leader of the world, but I can't trace that belief back to Daniel in scripture. Other books of Zoroaster-ism I would not promote here for they are serious occultism...

No I don't think we can see in scriptures where Daniel told this group about it all, the conjecture is there in some writings and even in your book it points out that Daniel was probably the reason they knew this. I will take a look through the whole thing, I think I have read some of the chpts once or twice. If as I think Daniel did teach this to them they would have known about the suffering servant and the conquering king Messiah which is something I understand has been believed long before Daniel taught it. This is the concept that got a lot of those Jews to not believe, they were stuck on the conquering King and not the suffering servant. Probably won't get back to this for a few days at best, have a great turkey day!

shalom,

Mizz