Sodomites

[OldShep]

My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to.

Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period. Obviously this includes homosexuality AND prostitution. However, while we are very quick to condemn these acts, it also includes Adultery and Fornication, which some believers get caught up in and we are a lot slower to condemn these. There is no reason to get hung up on what a certain word means on this issue. ANY SEX OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE BED IS SIN PERIOD.

Was it a sin for Abraham to have a child with Hagar???

I would have to say yes, !st he was not married to her, 2nd Abraham did not trust God because he wanted a child now, so turning his back to God's timing., and tried to solve the problem on a human why. By Law she did what was legal in the world at the time, but, that is not what God wanted.

ICL Dennis

[mizzdy]

My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to.

Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period. Obviously this includes homosexuality AND prostitution. However, while we are very quick to condemn these acts, it also includes Adultery and Fornication, which some believers get caught up in and we are a lot slower to condemn these. There is no reason to get hung up on what a certain word means on this issue. ANY SEX OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE BED IS SIN PERIOD.

Was it a sin for Abraham to have a child with Hagar???

It was and wasn't, the idea that God promised a physical seed to Abraham but they decided to not wait on God and have one via someone else. God thought it was wrong and He brought in circumcision to show Abraham it was His timing and not anyone elses where and how the Messiah would be brought forth. Its a strange thing to read about how common men going to prostitutes and such things.

[mizzdy]

Just a question.....

Why do we as Christians fixate on this subject? Is it because it is unnatural and abhorrent behavior to us in a simply moral and worldly way?

My point is that sin is sin. There is no "grading" of sin in God's eyes.

There have been so many posts about this subject over the years, and I hesitate to say that adultery, abuse of women, theft, drunk driving, etc, have not been beaten to death as has this subject.

There is something in us that raises the hackles more when it comes to this, than do other sins, and the discussion thereof.

I in no way agree with or condone this sin, any more than do I any other.

But what does this ire that raises it's (sometimes ugly) head, say about us when we discuss this subject?

Blessings

I think Cobalt hit on the reasoning behind it all. Theres a concerted effort to make it the 'norm' of society, an agenda is behind this whole GLTB or whatever their name is these days. Here in the states its being taught as normal, as the way to be and little minds growing up who have a mom and dad sometimes think they are abnormal because they dont have two moms or dads. Thats pretty sick in my book. But your right sin is sin and its against God in all forms, but we just dont push sleeping around on ones spouse because theres not an organization or several of them who decide we all should do what and like it, make it legal in the eyes of the govts. of the world and put people in jails because they call adultery sinful or wrong. This whole world is upside down and perverted in so many ways!

shalom,

Mizz

[joi]

It was and wasn't, the idea that God promised a physical seed to Abraham but they decided to not wait on God and have one via someone else. God thought it was wrong and He brought in circumcision to show Abraham it was His timing and not anyone elses where and how the Messiah would be brought forth. Its a strange thing to read about how common men going to prostitutes and such things.

I think it was Mizzdy, because God promised a seed to Abraham and Sarah, not Abraham and Hagar.

When we see the result today of that lack of faith on their part, we can clearly see the consequence of our lack of faith in the Word of God.

[other one]

My thought is that it is sin, no matter what people are referring to.

Excellent point Onelight. We must remember the real issue here. ANY sexual activity outside the one man and one woman marriage is SIN period. Obviously this includes homosexuality AND prostitution. However, while we are very quick to condemn these acts, it also includes Adultery and Fornication, which some believers get caught up in and we are a lot slower to condemn these. There is no reason to get hung up on what a certain word means on this issue. ANY SEX OUTSIDE THE MARRIAGE BED IS SIN PERIOD.

Was it a sin for Abraham to have a child with Hagar???

It was and wasn't, the idea that God promised a physical seed to Abraham but they decided to not wait on God and have one via someone else. God thought it was wrong and He brought in circumcision to show Abraham it was His timing and not anyone elses where and how the Messiah would be brought forth. Its a strange thing to read about how common men going to prostitutes and such things.

Is there scripture showing where God thought it was wrong?

[ayin jade]

Just a question.....

Why do we as Christians fixate on this subject? Is it because it is unnatural and abhorrent behavior to us in a simply moral and worldly way?

My point is that sin is sin. There is no "grading" of sin in God's eyes.

There have been so many posts about this subject over the years, and I hesitate to say that adultery, abuse of women, theft, drunk driving, etc, have not been beaten to death as has this subject.

Is there a large population of people trying to force us to accept that abuse of women, theft, drunk driving etc are acceptable? No. Not like homosexuality is being shoved down our throats in the US. Im equally outspoken about adultery etc as I am about homosexuality. In chat tho, the ones who come in defending sin almost never defend the sins you list, yet we routinely get folks in chat who see nothing wrong with homosexuality. So its not the obsessiveness on the part of Christians who are focusing on this one sin. Its the mores of society trying to force an acceptance of this sin that lead to our response.

[OldShep]

Wow~~~Misreading things again, I have catatacts and it's like look through a foggy fish bowl.

My uncle (Sam) tells me it is not bad engouh for them to do anything about them yet.

Thanks Candice, glad someone is watching out for me

ICL Dennis

[~candice~]

You know... this issue is in the social spotlight. Most Christians at some point in time have to examine the issue and decide what they are going to believe and how they are going to act and vote when it comes to homosexual issues.

I think we need to allow people the place to work through these issues. Sure, the topic comes up a lot, but so does the rapture, us politics, and the "is it just me" thread.

As for me, I firmly believe the bible reveals God is not approving of homosexuality, that it is not a part of his design or plan, and our desires should be to align with His views in all things.

So for me I see it as a sin, one of many, but a sin nonetheless, that divides us from the Lord and requires forgiveness by the shed blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

I also think the issue is much different to manage in practice than it is in the virtual forum world, as anyone with experience in this issue knows.

[NTMicaiah]

Excellent list of verses about this! Thanks

[~candice~]

Lots of Love Dennis