Why did God make them

[tigger398]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

[OneLight]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

Hi Tigger

I think you have it a little wrong. God looked down through time and saw who would accept Him and who would not. We have the freedom to accept Him or reject Him. Because He saw who would stand with Him does not mean He made them do so. That is like Him creating us as puppets.

Let's look at Romans 8

Romans 8:29-30

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Notice that He first foreknew, meaning that He knew what they would choose. When He foreknew, He then predestined them to conform to the image of Christ.

[Guest shiloh357]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

That is not really how it works. God does not pick and choose who will or will not be saved. He knows the decisions and choices we will make, but His salvation is for anyone who will accept Him. God is just. He gives everyone the chance to accept Him.

[ayin jade]

Perhaps a better question would be, knowing who would reject Him, why did He allow them to be born?

I dont know that the bible even answers that, except in one parable in the gospels. My view though is that even unbelievers can affect our decisions to believe. From unbelievers some believers are born. In the parable, the tares could not be pulled out without affecting the wheat, that they might inadvertently be harmed too. So perhaps that is why they are allowed to be born and live.

[OneLight]

Perhaps a better question would be, knowing who would reject Him, why did He allow them to be born?

I dont know that the bible even answers that, except in one parable in the gospels. My view though is that even unbelievers can affect our decisions to believe. From unbelievers some believers are born. In the parable, the tares could not be pulled out without affecting the wheat, that they might inadvertently be harmed too. So perhaps that is why they are allowed to be born and live.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. Before I turned to Christ, I walk a very dark road. What started me thinking is when God opened my eyes to what was inside those who I was following, sort of like giving me a glance of their heart. What I saw was not what I was really seeking. I began looking around to those who I called friends and asked myself if I really wanted to be like them. The answer was "no", which allowed me to start seeking His direction in my life.

[Foreverjesus]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

Hi Tigger

I think you have it a little wrong. God looked down through time and saw who would accept Him and who would not. We have the freedom to accept Him or reject Him. Because He saw who would stand with Him does not mean He made them do so. That is like Him creating us as puppets.

Let's look at Romans 8

Romans 8:29-30

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Notice that He first foreknew, meaning that He knew what they would choose. When He foreknew, He then predestined them to conform to the image of Christ.

[Foreverjesus]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

before the foundations of the earth....God chose us.he always knew those who would serve him. He gives us that choice. Choose ye this day...whom you will serve.

[Bold Believer]

Perhaps a better question would be, knowing who would reject Him, why did He allow them to be born?

I dont know that the bible even answers that, except in one parable in the gospels. My view though is that even unbelievers can affect our decisions to believe. From unbelievers some believers are born. In the parable, the tares could not be pulled out without affecting the wheat, that they might inadvertently be harmed too. So perhaps that is why they are allowed to be born and live.

Well said. Unbelievers exist to give whatever glory they can to God. The infamous American atheist Madeline Murray O'Hare gave birth to a man whom God later saved. It has undoubtedly been that way down through the ages. There is no evidence that Abram/Abraham's father Tera or any of his family (whom he was commanded to leave) were ever saved, but Abram/Abraham certainly was.

You can proof text Romans 8 all you like, but Romans 9 tells the story. God does as HE pleases, not as WE please.

[Bold Believer]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

That is not really how it works. God does not pick and choose who will or will not be saved. He knows the decisions and choices we will make, but His salvation is for anyone who will accept Him. God is just. He gives everyone the chance to accept Him.

Oh really? Pharoah never had that chance. Judas never had that chance. Esau never had that chance. You say God doesn't pick and choose who will/won't be saved? Scripture says believers were chosen from BEFORE the foundation of the earth. That means from before Creation.

Jacob and Esau were chosen before EITHER had done good or evil.

Quit fearing sovereignty and EMBRACE it.

[Miss Elly]

I always wonder about this. God picked us and chose us. He knew from beginning who will serve him. So if the nonbelevers were not chosen why make them in the first place.

God didn't "make them", they were born from a mother and father. God is not unjust, it's people who choose to sin. Every one since Adam has made their choice for good or evil. God would like for all to repent and serve him and he made a way through Jesus Christ.