The "Old Testament"

[Fraught]

'The Old Testament Gospel of Jesus Christ'. sounds different, doesn't it? check this out for a free copy:My link

[Larry 2]

There is much difference in the old and the new. The old was in type, shadows, and example. The new revealed that which was hidden and fill up the word of God.

Colossians 1:25-26 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God; 26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Colossians 2:16- 17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 8:4-5 . . . there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, 5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, . . .

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, . . .

[mizzdy]

are you talking about the land promise to isreal? or the idea that the feasts are perpetual?

The land promise to Israel is the Abrahamic Covenant, not the "Old Covenant". Their ability to live in their and is the "Palestinian Covenant". The feasts are still perpetual.

Palestinian covenant? where is that? I see Gods promise to bring them back into that land that belongs to Him, there is no such thing as palestinian covenant, not in Due. 29 which is where every single person suggesting this takes the idea from.

God built upon each covenant, sometimes He add to or take away but they are all built upon one another, we would not have the renewed covenant if it were not for the ones prior we could not get to where we are today. We see the promise of Davids peace covenant when He returns also, so if that is long gone why bring it back. Each covenant given points to Him, each one given and failed to be lived up to by His people shows the need for Him, that is why we see the change in the priesthood, that 'old' was governed by men now we have a high priest unsoiled by mens hearts but the very mind and heart of God. Sorry to post and run!

shalom,

Mizz

[jasoncran]

to the messainic jews.

if the third temple is built and the rosh hoshana is fully done as it was in the days of moses and the prophets would you partake in such a thing?

relavant question since the feasts are perpetual per candice.

[mizzdy]

to the messainic jews.

if the third temple is built and the rosh hoshana is fully done as it was in the days of moses and the prophets would you partake in such a thing?

relavant question since the feasts are perpetual per candice.

I'm not Jewish, just Messianic. This is a question that gets bantered back and forth a lot and the answers usually are no, Yeshua is the final sacrifice, the veil has been torn and we can come to Him without an earthly priest or sacrifices of any kind. I know personally I would not do any animal sacrifices nor would I go to a temple ran by men when I have my King, Savior and High Priest. We do not keep the feasts as they did when they had the temple, we do them in remembrance, in anticipation, as a memorial, and even as 'practice'. We also do not keep to rosh hoshana as the 'head of the year' since we know that God set that in the spring and not fall, the bible says this feast is Yom Teruah and that head of the year is an added for a few reasons none of which are biblical.

[jasoncran]

lol a gentile that is into the torah.

ah. im not messianic in that i dont attend temple. i figured i would ask, but i am hebrew.

[mizzdy]

lol a gentile that is into the torah.

ah. im not messianic in that i dont attend temple. i figured i would ask, but i am hebrew.

We sure do label ourselves dont we! Frankly I call myself a believer, and I believe we are all Israel, all who come to Him in faith, who accept His rule in their hearts/will. Its men who want to label us all, the Messianic Jews call us either gentile Hebrews or just plain gentiles, which I refuse to accept, there is not covenant with 'gentiles' not a gate in which to enter into, apart from Yeshua there is no entry into the kingdom. Messianics are labeled as such simply for believing in the Messiah, we then are all Messianic aren't we? Being Messianic doesnt denote going to a temple either and all gentiles who are grafted into Israel follow Torah whether they want to see it or not, I mean we follow Him, He is the living Torah so really we all are Torah persuant.

[jasoncran]

lol a gentile that is into the torah.

ah. im not messianic in that i dont attend temple. i figured i would ask, but i am hebrew.

We sure do label ourselves dont we! Frankly I call myself a believer, and I believe we are all Israel, all who come to Him in faith, who accept His rule in their hearts/will. Its men who want to label us all, the Messianic Jews call us either gentile Hebrews or just plain gentiles, which I refuse to accept, there is not covenant with 'gentiles' not a gate in which to enter into, apart from Yeshua there is no entry into the kingdom. Messianics are labeled as such simply for believing in the Messiah, we then are all Messianic aren't we? Being Messianic doesnt denote going to a temple either and all gentiles who are grafted into Israel follow Torah whether they want to see it or not, I mean we follow Him, He is the living Torah so really we all are Torah persuant.

messianic jews are way and i mean way different the then average gentile christian.

try doing chanukah and telling your gentile church that you did that over christmas and watch and learn. some thought it was awesome others said why? most christians dont spend more time in the tanach then the brit chadosh. with the messianic jews its the reverse.

[jasoncran]

most christians dont follow the kosher laws nor do the feasts. one can be a christian and do these things but really if one is to do that you will stand out from the typical gentile/greek thinking christian. i am going through this. i cringe when my pastors say the torah was a bondage when it was done right it set mean free as god used that to call out isreal from the egyptian bondage.

[mizzdy]

lol a gentile that is into the torah.

ah. im not messianic in that i dont attend temple. i figured i would ask, but i am hebrew.

We sure do label ourselves dont we! Frankly I call myself a believer, and I believe we are all Israel, all who come to Him in faith, who accept His rule in their hearts/will. Its men who want to label us all, the Messianic Jews call us either gentile Hebrews or just plain gentiles, which I refuse to accept, there is not covenant with 'gentiles' not a gate in which to enter into, apart from Yeshua there is no entry into the kingdom. Messianics are labeled as such simply for believing in the Messiah, we then are all Messianic aren't we? Being Messianic doesnt denote going to a temple either and all gentiles who are grafted into Israel follow Torah whether they want to see it or not, I mean we follow Him, He is the living Torah so really we all are Torah persuant.

messianic jews are way and i mean way different the then average gentile christian.

try doing chanukah and telling your gentile church that you did that over christmas and watch and learn. some thought it was awesome others said why? most christians dont spend more time in the tanach then the brit chadosh. with the messianic jews its the reverse.

Hmm sometimes they are very much alike! lol I know many Messianic Jews and am friends in real life with a few, I dont see them any differently really, except some have such wonderful insights into scriptures! I never dealt with a gentile church setting I left my mothers church many decades ago yet I have in my own fellowship those that go to gentile churches who are asked to be there to show them how to do a seder meal or teach them about His feasts. Most every single member of my congregation have been through teaching their former mainstream churches about it all, my pastor and his wife are former FourSquare pastors and led many into those teachings. I do agree what what your saying its an uphill battle! And yes it does seem to be true of some in this movement to spend more time in the Tanakh than in the Brit Chadashah but I find that in smaller groups who have taken a more legalistic bend.

Theres nothing more profound to see how the entire bible works together, to see that it was indeed the Tanakh that was taught, that from there the apostles showed to their brethren (and gentiles) that Messiah had indeed come, and how in their writings gave His earthly physical testimony thus giving us 'the commandments of YHWH and the testimony of Yeshua'. Everyday I wonder in such amazement how it all works together, how it all points to Him.

shalom,

Mizz