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Mark2005

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What was the relationship between Jesus and God  

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  1. 1. Who was Jesus?

    • Jesus was eternally God before ever becoming human.
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    • Jesus was eternally God, but NEVER human flesh. (He appeared as an angel or spirit.)
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    • Jesus was the Son of God (or a son of God), but not God himself.
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    • Jesus was a man who, through obedience, later attained divinity (God status).
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    • Jesus was a righteous man who fulfilled God's plan, but he himself was never God, nor did he claim to be God.
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    • Other (please explain)
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Mark2005

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Ok, this seems to be a rather hot topic on several different threads at the moment. So maybe this can be a one-stop thread for discussion on the nature of the relationship between Jesus and God.

Admittedly, this is a complex subject at the core of several different world religions.

The rules: no flaming or name-calling of others who hold a different viewpoint.

Post references if you want, but please keep them manageable (not dozens and dozens in the same post, please).

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Jesus tells us in the Bible very clearly who is he is and was. The the 14th chapter of John, He tells us if we have seen him, we have seen the Father. Then, the next chapter over, in John 15, he goes even further and gives a parable about the vine and the branches.

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Mark ... I moved this to the Inner Court so you can get Christian answers.

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Well, since the subject came up on a couple of threads in Outer Courts, I figured that would be a good place to discuss it and get as broad of a range of answers as possible.

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There relationship is simple.

John 20:17-18

"Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

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Just who and what Jesus was and is...... well, that's not so simple.

The problem is that most people's defination of the word "God" is not what the Greek and Hebrew words mean. Greek and Hebrew use the same word for Baal, Marduk and other gods as they do for Jesus and the Father...... and the Spirit for that matter. The capitol G was put there by the transllators to set aside that they were talking about "our" God. The word "god" is a descriptive word, it's not an entity. it can be used to represent things like carved trees and even for money or wealth..... I know people who's god is sex and or drugs or any number of things that one dedicated his/'her life to.

What Jesus was is so hard to wrap your mind around that John just called him the Word.

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Well, since the subject came up on a couple of threads in Outer Courts, I figured that would be a good place to discuss it and get as broad of a range of answers as possible.

You already know what they think, but if you want to hear more talk against Christ, I will place it back for you. This is your thread. I thought you were asking because you wanted truthful answers. :noidea:

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It isn't "Jesus was...."

It's "Jesus IS eternally God before ever becoming human."

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It isn't "Jesus was...."

It's "Jesus IS eternally God before ever becoming human."

What is God?

Why did Jesus call the Father his God? and our God?

Just what is "God"?

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It isn't "Jesus was...."

It's "Jesus IS eternally God before ever becoming human."

What is God?

God is Spirit.

Why did Jesus call the Father his God? and our God?

Why? Because that is who God is---the Father and our Father.

Just what is "God"?

John 4:24

For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.

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There relationship is simple.

John 20:17-18

"Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

NASB

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just who and what Jesus was and is...... well, that's not so simple.

The problem is that most people's defination of the word "God" is not what the Greek and Hebrew words mean. Greek and Hebrew use the same word for Baal, Marduk and other gods as they do for Jesus and the Father...... and the Spirit for that matter. The capitol G was put there by the transllators to set aside that they were talking about "our" God. The word "god" is a descriptive word, it's not an entity. it can be used to represent things like carved trees and even for money or wealth..... I know people who's god is sex and or drugs or any number of things that one dedicated his/'her life to.

What Jesus was is so hard to wrap your mind around that John just called him the Word.

I see it different. John 1 isn’t talking about Jesus it is talking about what happens in a person when they receive from God His Spirit, Christ in you. It is talking about what happens in you when you receive from God His Spirit. You become His living word. The word that is made flesh is you. In the beginning of every mans salvation is the word and no one escapes this who is to be in Christ. It is Christ in you who is His living word.

John said there is one coming after him who he can’t give you, it is the Christ in you who John couldn’t give because that comes only from God himself just as John said it does. And Jesus when he was baptized received the same from God, God came to that man and opend all of heaven to him. It is this what comes into man that John spoke of. Even Jesus received the same. See Matt 3:16.

And you are not going to understand this until you receive in you the same as John and Jesus received.

Joe

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