Arba, Anak, Canaanites

[Guest shiloh357]

Hmmmm...not quite what I was looking for. I was hoping someone could add something to the conversation about which line of Noah's family the Anakites came through--scriptural evidence is welcomed.

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The sons of Anak in Joshua were Canaanites and the Canaanites were descended from Ham through Cush according to Genesis 10.

One thing worth considering is that the spies were being hyperbolic. The people of Jericho were physiclally imposing. Calling them "the sons of Anak" may have simply been a way of expresssing their size. It is that same hyperbole that was in play when they said that they were like grasshoppers by comparison.

The whole notion that Nephillim were angel/human hybrids is more fanciful conjecture than it is the product of sound biblical exegesis.

[icdchillin1]

After reading through the comments thus far, I want to start by saying I understand I was given scriptural evidence, but I made a point of saying that specifically due to what I have seen online with regard to the specificity of my question.

The question was in fact referring specifically to the human side of the equation. If one believe that the Nephillim were in fact hyperbolic or if one believes in a human-angel or human-fallen angel conception is not the question. The question simply refers to which aspect of the lineage of Noah the Anakites descended from.

While, Noah and his wife may have been perfect in their generations, his sons and their wives were not necessarily.

In any case, I am not worried specifically about how the Anakites were created rather who their lineage is through.

It is true that the Anakites were living in Canaan, specifically Kiriath Arba (Hebron). However, does that neccessarily mean they descended from Canaan? If so, through whom?

[icdchillin1]

So your thought is that the Nephilim were not even of Noah and his family rather of a non-human race altogether. I can see that I guess. I misunderstood your first post.

I will disagree however about his family. Ham was in fact responsible for the curse on Canaan due to his sin. The other thing that I notice is that the flood was purposed to rid the world of the human race--directly connecting to chapter 6 verse 4. However, I guess if you do not consider the Anakites as part of the human race, this verse would in fact constitute the need to bring 2 on board.

I am not sure that I agree that the Anakites came via the route you describe, but I can understand your point and will not reject it as wrong, considering there is nothing specific in the Word.

Can anyone who believes that the Anakites came via Canaan answer my question?

[Guest shiloh357]

So your thought is that the Nephilim were not even of Noah and his family rather of a non-human race altogether. I can see that I guess. I misunderstood your first post.

I will disagree however about his family. Ham was in fact responsible for the curse on Canaan due to his sin. The other thing that I notice is that the flood was purposed to rid the world of the human race--directly connecting to chapter 6 verse 4. However, I guess if you do not consider the Anakites as part of the human race, this verse would in fact constitute the need to bring 2 on board.

I am not sure that I agree that the Anakites came via the route you describe, but I can understand your point and will not reject it as wrong, considering there is nothing specific in the Word.

Can anyone who believes that the Anakites came via Canaan answer my question?

I assume you are speaking to me?? I did not say that the Anakites came via Canaan. I said that the spies were using hyperbole to express the notion that the people of Jericho were imposingly large people. The use of "Anakite" was a figure of speech merely meant to say that these are big people and they feared that they would be unable to defeat them. The people of Jericho were Canaanites and the Canaanites came through Ham per Genesis 10. That is simple biblical fact. That ham was cursed is irrelevant to this issue.

[icdchillin1]

Not a direct reference to you, but I understand your perspective better as well now.

This gives me 2 fairly decent arguments thus far.

Are there any believers that think the Anakites are their own tribe and came directly throuh Canaan.

[other one]

you'd have to listen to some of Doug and Russ's talks and decide for yourself how real it is. It's different for us all depending on our personal backgrounds and experiences as to whether or not this is possible, for it truly is pretty far out. but to those of us who's been out there..... not such a hard sell.

However one takes it, and no matter how much you give to the dark spiritual side of this present world, it's the walk with Jesus that can keep one spiritually safe, and only that walk that can protect us. As individuals we have no hope of overcoming the evil in this world. If they don't get you spiritually, they'll talk your neighbor into getting you.

Jesus is the only answer to the evil in this world and still it seems they win a few battles, but even then we're promised to be winners of the war.

That is a most interesting statement! Can you elaborate? Just so you know....I'm not a "hard sell."

whitestone, let me post a video of a radio interview of Russ Dizdar. It may take a bit to get it approved. He's the most level headed person who has/is dealing with this subject.

[gdemoss]

Before answering, please understand that I have done a great deal of research, so I do not need an in depth explanation of the Nephilim.

The question becomes: Where did Arba come from?

They came from those taken on the ark with Noah and his family.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Man is flesh with...the breath of life.

6:18-22 But with thee will I establish My covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

7:7-9 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

7:12-16 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

.

Problem. Only eight souls were saved by water.

Gary

Have you ever wondered...

1. How did "water" save souls?

2. Why is it written that "souls" were saved and not people, or Noah and his family, or humans, or men?

.

.

Please provide your answers to these questions first. I believe you are in grievous error concerning the number of people upon the ark and that error will show itself in the whole of your theology by the time it is understood what you believe. The very fact that you answer everyone simply with questions is disturbing to me. I do understand that there is a time and place for questions to be asked as I see how Jesus used them to confound the wisdom of the wise. Is that your intentions?

1. Yes I have asked the question what does it mean that they were saved by water aka "how did the water save them?"

2. What did God really say?

In Jesus Name,

Gary

[ayin jade]

You were given "scriptural evidence." Also consider that various races did not, could not, come from one man and woman. It is impossible now so was impossible then.

Not at all impossible. Even science has discovered that. The Eve gene has shown that all of mankind descended from one woman.

Are those the same folks telling us we all evolved from apes?

AyinJade, (that is a beautiful name) if various races came from one man and the woman that was of his same flesh, then that amazing event would continue today. On the same note...could various races come from the one man Noah and his wife who were "perfect in their generations?"

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The

thing that hath been, it is that which shall be

; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and

there is no new thing under the sun

.

.

Are you advocating that one race is superior to another?

[Guest shiloh357]

Before answering, please understand that I have done a great deal of research, so I do not need an in depth explanation of the Nephilim.

The question becomes: Where did Arba come from?

They came from those taken on the ark with Noah and his family.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Man is flesh with...the breath of life.

6:18-22 But with thee will I establish My covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

7:7-9 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

7:12-16 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

.

Problem. Only eight souls were saved by water.

Gary

Have you ever wondered...

1. How did "water" save souls?

2. Why is it written that "souls" were saved and not people, or Noah and his family, or humans, or men?

They were saved through the water, not by the water. The water was the instrument of judgment. They were preserved by the Ark.

"Souls" is just a common English term that refers to people. We still use it today. 8 people were saved, So your nonsense about two of every race doesn't fly. You need to believe the Bible and cease with this bizarre approach to the Bible. You are not teaching the truth.

[gdemoss]

Before answering, please understand that I have done a great deal of research, so I do not need an in depth explanation of the Nephilim.

The question becomes: Where did Arba come from?

They came from those taken on the ark with Noah and his family.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Man is flesh with...the breath of life.

6:18-22 But with thee will I establish My covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

7:7-9 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

7:12-16 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

.

Problem. Only eight souls were saved by water.

Gary

Have you ever wondered...

1. How did "water" save souls?

2. Why is it written that "souls" were saved and not people, or Noah and his family, or humans, or men?

.

Please provide your answers to these questions first. I believe you are in grievous error concerning the number of people upon the ark and that error will show itself in the whole of your theology by the time it is understood what you believe. The very fact that you answer everyone simply with questions is disturbing to me. I do understand that there is a time and place for questions to be asked as I see how Jesus used them to confound the wisdom of the wise. Is that your intentions?

1. Yes I have asked the question what does it mean that they were saved by water aka "how did the water save them?"

2. What did God really say?

In Jesus Name,

Gary

At times, asking a question in order to answer a question, can cause deeper study of the topic. And...at other times it just aggravates folks. Sorry Gary....I didn't mean to be so cryptic or irritating.

Usually when I point out that other humans were on the ark with Noah, as shown in post #2, the answer given to deny that is the one you quoted...."eight souls were saved by water." When I thought about that I said...how did water save anyone when water was drowning humanity? How did people on the ark get saved "by water" and why the odd wording of "eight souls" rather than people, etc?

The answer to me is...they were not saved by flood waters, which was destroying everything, but were saved by living waters for Noah......

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations ofNoah:

Noah

was a just man

and

perfect in his generations

, and

Noah

walked

with God

.

He was just, his geneological line was not contaminated with the fallen angels and....He walked with God! Therefore the souls of he and his family were...saved by living water...the Lord:

Jeremiah 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake Thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken

the LORD, the fountain of living waters

.

Although other "male, female, two by two of all flesh with the breath of life" were taken on the ark with Noah we are not told if their souls were or were not "saved by water." The Bible is not the history of mankind but rather is His-story. The story of Christ and how He relates to the world.

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Very interesting concept used here to add to what scripture says. I have not seen this one before. I don't know how long you have been receptive to the spirit realm and direct spiritual guidance but when I first got plugged in, I was receiving all kinds of crazy things about scripture and many come in the form you have presented here. Simple additions pointing out some 'hidden' thing within the text. I most generally work to follow them to their logical end so that I can find the root cause for why they exist. Many are supporting arguments for various cults. When I had a spirit trying to seduce me with the Jehovah Witness message, he pointed to the brass serpent and how it was destroyed by the king because the people began to worship it and said Jesus was destroyed in the same because otherwise we would worship him instead of the Father. Total garbage, but I had no real defense or understanding about receiving from the spiritual realm and thought I was receiving from Gods hand directly. Taking all of it in landed me in a mental institution after a veiled attempt at suicide that was driven by something demonic trying to destroy me.

Why was it written that 8 souls were saved by water?

In the range of meaning for the word 'souls' is the very word 'lives'. According to the bible, the world had become a violent place and the imaginations of mans heart was only evil continually. Every where you look in the bible, Gods people are always hated and sought to be destroyed by their enemies. The picture of the water used in the flood both to save and destroy is a natural occurance while the spiritual occurance is the water of the Word that you pointed out earlier. While there is spiritual meanings behind each of the text that are many time prophetic in nature, we need to hold to the literal natural of the event spoken of first as a primary 'milk' to learn from. The spiritual 'meat' can have hidden meaning but in this case it doesn't. Noah's flood/ark is a natural event that took place 4400 years ago that prophetically speaks of a coming event in our day where the world of the ungodly will be flooded/overran by evil spirits who are banished from heaven, which destroy those who dwell upon the earth that have not entered into the ark, which is Christ.

The water destroyed the ungodly and in doing so saved Noah and his families very lives that would have eventually destroyed by those same ones. In like manner we are also saved by baptism. Not by the act of washing our bodies, but by cleansing our conscience as we become identified with the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. If we be dead with him (though we still physically be alive) we shall also live with him (after we die). One who is dead to self is dead to sin (though they can revive).

All this talk about the giants coming from unsaved people being on the ark is from the imagination being used to connect scriptures that do not belong together. Why we feel the need to figure out where the giants came from in the first place is a little troublesome to me. There are so many other things that are much higher priority than this like subduing the world around us by knowing and preaching the truth unto others or taking on 'orphans' to raise in the faith who have been left behind by hit and run gospel preachers who don't care to be spiritual fathers to those they preach the gospel too.

In Jesus Name,

Gary