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Take a look at this:

How can Joel Osteen get to such a degree of deception that he believes that a homosexual can go to heaven!??? He said him said that it is sin. Does sin get into heaven...certainly not or God isn't just and holy as the Bible says. I might agree with some of his teachings, but saying that homosexual sin can enter heaven is totally unBiblical.

If he thinks this then he might as well believe in Universalism, which is also 100% wrong and Biblical. Man he needs to rethink his view, God Help him ! Hes teaching that Homosexuals can continue in their sin and not have to repent, Joel Osteen needs some wisdom from the Lord ! May God reach out to him ~In Jesus Name ~

He sells a lot of books, and that must be a dangerous thing...

Go to any christian bookstore and there they are....

Gee! what makes us think that we Know the mind of God and think that thier SIN is any worse then our sins and Jesus will not Forgive them? Pride! I can hear the child's voice...saying......My sin isn't as bad as their sin, my sin isn't has bad as thier sin, I'm going to Heaven, I'm going to Heaven......

Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Rom_9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Just wondering....Dennis

Hiya De

Take a look at this:

How can Joel Osteen get to such a degree of deception that he believes that a homosexual can go to heaven!??? He said him said that it is sin. Does sin get into heaven...certainly not or God isn't just and holy as the Bible says. I might agree with some of his teachings, but saying that homosexual sin can enter heaven is totally unBiblical.

If he thinks this then he might as well believe in Universalism, which is also 100% wrong and Biblical. Man he needs to rethink his view, God Help him ! Hes teaching that Homosexuals can continue in their sin and not have to repent, Joel Osteen needs some wisdom from the Lord ! May God reach out to him ~In Jesus Name ~

He sells a lot of books, and that must be a dangerous thing...

Go to any christian bookstore and there they are....

Gee! what makes us think that we Know the mind of God and think that thier SIN is any worse then our sins and Jesus will not Forgive them? Pride! I can hear the child's voice...saying......My sin isn't as bad as their sin, my sin isn't has bad as thier sin, I'm going to Heaven, I'm going to Heaven......

Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Rom_9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Just wondering....Dennis

Hiya Dennis !

Your reading into this further than what it was intended.... Joel Osteen is leading them away from repentance, not towards it... Sin is sin, this we can all agree upon, its the fact that he is turning them away from the teachings of Christ. Sin must be put before the Lord Jesus, If Joel is telling them its okay, continue doing this..... that is wrong ! That is not repentance, that is my point. No sin is held over the other, without Christ you will not enter the Kingdom of God. (which I hope we can also all agree upon)


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Osteen is Christian-Lite; I always turn him off when he pops up on t.v. He is just all for the 'feel good' theology (and, btw, he never studied theology).


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Hiya Dennis !

Your reading into this further than what it was intended.... Joel Osteen is leading them away from repentance, not towards it... Sin is sin, this we can all agree upon, its the fact that he is turning them away from the teachings of Christ. Sin must be put before the Lord Jesus, If Joel is telling them its okay, continue doing this..... that is wrong ! That is not repentance, that is my point. No sin is held over the other, without Christ you will not enter the Kingdom of God. (which I hope we can also all agree upon)

Agreed! 120%...I do not watch the young Osteen, I used to watch his Dad and I know that He did not approve of, or support any type of sexual sins.

We are just zeroing in on that one sexual sin, yet, Sexual immorality covers ALL, acts...of sexual lust...A Husband can Rape his wife...can lust over her....or those late night visits to the porn sight..

ICL~~~Dennis....


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Hiya Dennis !

Your reading into this further than what it was intended.... Joel Osteen is leading them away from repentance, not towards it... Sin is sin, this we can all agree upon, its the fact that he is turning them away from the teachings of Christ. Sin must be put before the Lord Jesus, If Joel is telling them its okay, continue doing this..... that is wrong ! That is not repentance, that is my point. No sin is held over the other, without Christ you will not enter the Kingdom of God. (which I hope we can also all agree upon)

Agreed! 120%...I do not watch the young Osteen, I used to watch his Dad and I know that He did not approve of, or support any type of sexual sins.

We are just zeroing in on that one sexual sin, yet, Sexual immorality covers ALL, acts...of sexual lust...A Husband can Rape his wife...can lust over her....or those late night visits to the porn sight..

ICL~~~Dennis....

I did not know the Last part was a sin, not gonna repeat it lol but I did not know that

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Osteen is Christian-Lite; I always turn him off when he pops up on t.v. He is just all for the 'feel good' theology (and, btw, he never studied theology)....

Why

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 4:17

Use The Book

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

When You Have Hallmart

For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 8:11-12

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One of Olsteen's problems is that he doesn't feel he can afford to offend anyone because of that massive sports stadium they purchased and remodeled to make it into a church. I am sure they have some massive payments to make and they need the money. His congregation has people who have family members that are either gay, or are Mormons or something else and so he feels that if he offends them, he loses money. For Olsteen, the truth is a liability.

I am not so sure that these mega churches are scriptural, in the first place. I mean, look at the money coming in and then being given to the world. How many Bibles could be printed and given to those who don't have the money to buy a Bible? How many doctors and other health professionals could we subsidise to go overseas and volunteer to provide free health services to poor people in countries where they can't get help? How many missionaries could be sent overseas who don't have the money to go overseas and minister?

We waste Billions of $$$ on buildlings, and pews and other stuff when we could use that money to build the Kingdom and invest in people, not programs. The condemnation will hit the church in the US the hardest. We have the best stuff and more of it. We have squandered far more of it on our petty lusts than we have used to build the Kingdom.

Olsteen has a book entitled "How To Be A Better You." God's purpose is not to make us "better." His purpose, His goal is to conform us into the image of Christ. I don't want to be a better version of me. The answer to success does not reside in me, not even in a better me. The problem comes from me, so the solution cannot come from me. The goal is for me to become less and Christ to become more through me.


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One of Olsteen's problems is that he doesn't feel he can afford to offend anyone because of that massive sports stadium they purchased and remodeled to make it into a church. I am sure they have some massive payments to make and they need the money. His congregation has people who have family members that are either gay, or are Mormons or something else and so he feels that if he offends them, he loses money. For Olsteen, the truth is a liability.

I am not so sure that these mega churches are scriptural, in the first place. I mean, look at the money coming in and then being given to the world. How many Bibles could be printed and given to those who don't have the money to buy a Bible? How many doctors and other health professionals could we subsidise to go overseas and volunteer to provide free health services to poor people in countries where they can't get help? How many missionaries could be sent overseas who don't have the money to go overseas and minister?

We waste Billions of $$$ on buildlings, and pews and other stuff when we could use that money to build the Kingdom and invest in people, not programs. The condemnation will hit the church in the US the hardest. We have the best stuff and more of it. We have squandered far more of it on our petty lusts than we have used to build the Kingdom.

Olsteen has a book entitled "How To Be A Better You." God's purpose is not to make us "better." His purpose, His goal is to conform us into the image of Christ. I don't want to be a better version of me. The answer to success does not reside in me, not even in a better me. The problem comes from me, so the solution cannot come from me. The goal is for me to become less and Christ to become more through me.

I don't want to be a better version of me.

Agreed! To be a "better" me would require that the foundation I am built on was improved first.

But there is only one perfect foundation.

I don't want to be a better me, I want to be a "complete" believer.


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AMEN!!!

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One of Olsteen's problems is that he doesn't feel he can afford to offend anyone because of that massive sports stadium they purchased and remodeled to make it into a church. I am sure they have some massive payments to make and they need the money. His congregation has people who have family members that are either gay, or are Mormons or something else and so he feels that if he offends them, he loses money. For Olsteen, the truth is a liability.....

....Olsteen has a book entitled "How To Be A Better You." God's purpose is not to make us "better." His purpose, His goal is to conform us into the image of Christ. I don't want to be a better version of me. The answer to success does not reside in me, not even in a better me. The problem comes from me, so the solution cannot come from me. The goal is for me to become less and Christ to become more through me.

Amen

Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel; Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esar-haddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither. But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us. Ezra 4:1-3

And Amen

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:13

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