South Africa had it coming

[other one]

about a hundred years ago. america had that problem

http://en.wikipedia..../Union_violence

and we had the problem because capitolism had been running amuck.... it was actually needed.

[jasoncran]

so you justify killing, when i read that while sad. it was no different then when i watched afghanis shoot each other over land.so if i dont get a raise., murder my boss? hey it works why not? one can protest legally, sure if its self-defense and sadly there was some of that but even the teamster steward that i work with that is pro-obama said the afl-cio of which the w. virginia one was a tit for tat. the unions also used violence to get the business to bend.

im glad christ is in me. once you cross that line its well wouldnt be hard for me get that businessman to bend if used ieds and killed his wife and kids.that is what the enemy does to the locals that help us. they force them to kill us by threatening to kill their familes. that went on in w,.virginia. yeah real christ like.

[georgedrw81]

The frightening thing to me, more frightening than the violent mob?

No matter how much we are trained to face them we are never prepared for them. In moments like those the only thought was family, God and Jesus, in that order. Praying

[jasoncran]

about a hundred years ago. america had that problem

http://en.wikipedia..../Union_violence

Still has that problem. Anywhere Unions become entrenched, there is always violence and greed. Always. For one thing, because all Unions, no matter what country they are in are backed by some type of organized crime. Unions, in this country, outlived their usefulness long ago and should have been outlawed, at least in their current form, a long time ago. The first time there was even a hint of Organized crime within a Union, they should have been outlawed. Unions, not companies, are directly responsible for the outsourcing of jobs in this country. They kept asking and asking and asking for pay raises for their employees no matter what shape the economy was in, and what others doing comparable work, non-union were making. And going out on strike is nothing but legalized blackmail. No one who goes out on a strike should ever be able to return to work at that company again. They surrendered their jobs the moment they went out on strike.

Sorry to hear about this Fez. Your country is experiencing what ours did when Labor Unions first established themselves here, and your country will face the same problems, because when there are Labor Unions, nothing but problems follow in their wake. Praying.

you arent aware that when president ronald reagean forced ATT to split that at the same time the union there was on strike. one of them was my mother a consertive. in reality that worked better for her as bell south was and att benefited from the break up. ironically att bought out bell south twenty years later.my mom is retired from that and has told me that they forced her to retire. ONLY to hire a bunch of immigrants and then those immigrants couldnt speak good english and when she called them to get a number(she was an operator for 30 years or more) she had to tell them how to use the machine.

not all unions use violence. yes it does get ugly.btw ups is unionised here.

[nebula]

btw ups is unionised here.

My brother worked for UPS. He was forced into the union like every else who works there - that is, if you work for UPS you have no choice but to belong to the Union.

One day he came home steaming mad because the UPS heads wanted to make changes that would benefit the employees, but the union heads arm-strung them into a deal that benefited the union heads and was less beneficial to the employees.

[jasoncran]

i havent heard that . here is the teamsters. is it the teamsters there? years ago the unions in the ups went on a strike and no strike was held here and well we are right to work state. which i like.

but i have stood with the local union agaisnt the city i work for. i have good reasons to do so. would you sell your house for a half the cost and then tell the world its a deal?

[other one]

btw ups is unionised here.

My brother worked for UPS. He was forced into the union like every else who works there - that is, if you work for UPS you have no choice but to belong to the Union. I have a couple of acquaintances that retired from UPS and they don't have much of anything positive to say about their union.

One day he came home steaming mad because the UPS heads wanted to make changes that would benefit the employees, but the union heads arm-strung them into a deal that benefited the union heads and was less beneficial to the employees.

Neb, I think it depends on the state you are in as to whether or not they have to join the union...... but if someone doesn't join the union, they are basically shunned and are seldom sucessful.

I spent 40 eyars with Xerox and the company pretty much makes it manditory for our manufactureing to be union. In that invironment it is much easier to deal with a union that a lot of employees. We have little trouble with our union people because the company takes care of it's employees...... or at least used to when I was there. We were not union in the service end of the business, largely because it wasn't needed.

[nebula]

I don't know those details - just that my bro had no choice in the matter.

[other one]

I don't know those details - just that my bro had no choice in the matter.

He probably lives in a state that doesn't have a right to work law.

[jasoncran]

what state was he in. it should be easy to find out.