Exodus Passover: Did the firstborn of Egypt go to heaven?

[Guest LadyC]

born again, your past is your past. you've repented and moved on. you are by your own confession a born again christian. and as such, your children are sanctified and would not go to hell if they died today.

nobody can answer the OP question with 100% certainty. what we CAN say with certainty is that no matter WHAT sins you have committed in the past, if you have accepted Christ as your saviour, you're not going to hell, nor will any children born to you who are not yet capable of choosing Christ for themselves.(whether conceived in sin or not)

[Guest]

I think that every Muslim knows the "Isa" of the Qu'ran. Isa is what the Muslims call Jesus....and this Jesus is a false one. I don't think every Muslim knows the Jesus of the Holy Bible because in some Muslim countries, Christians cannot proclaim the Gospel and the Bible is banned in many of those countries. In countries where Christians can proclaim the Gospel of Christ, one would find millions of Muslims converting. This is why countries like Saudi Arabia ban the Holy Bible and forbid Christians from evangelizing. I think that the Muslim clerics, Imans, and Mullahs fear Christianity. See the weblink below regarding millions of Muslims converting to Christianity: Christians still have a duty to reach all people as much as they can because not all people know Christ.

http://www.islam-wat...hristianity.htm

So you think that there aren't any Christian evangelizing occurring in the Arab/Asian world?

There are Christians evangelizing in Asia and Africa, but in some places, such as Saudi Arabia, it is illegal.

So what? You think they don't hear the Gospel in Saudi Arabia because it is illegal? Your argument is getting weaker and smaller as you go along trying to justify your position. Next thing you know you will be naming a specific city in Saudi Arabia. I get your point, just as I know you get mine. Mine has Scripture to back it up, you have hope. Anywho, I'm done with this one. God bless you Selene. Edited September 15, 2012 by Parker1

[Guest]

I know it's a popular theory that every child is a gift of God, that every child born is God's will, and that every child will end up in heaven, but i just see no biblical support for that. what i do see throughout scripture is that God commanded even children of ungodly nations be slain, i see God wiping out the first born in egypt, and i can't picture God intentionally slaughtering innocent children that belonged to Him. that is just not in character with His nature.

I don't believe that it is GOD's will that every child be born that is. HE has prior knowledge of their life, but HE simply gives them a soul at birth. I think that just as Adam and Eve were innocent and sinless until they chose to eat of the forbidden tree and became aware, children are innocent and sinless until they chose to eat of the forbidden fruit of the world and become aware. (How's that for an analogy...? )

[Guest LadyC]

parker, it's not biblical. we are born with a sin nature, not an innocent nature. i know that makes no sense in our limited human comprehension, but the foolishness of God is wiser all of us (humans) combined.

[Guest]

Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them and said, “Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:2-4 (NKJV).

Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 19:12-14 (NKJV)

But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God." Mark 10:14 (NKJV)

Unless I'm mistaken, it sounds Biblical to me. Or is heaven filled with the souls of sinful children who died before they even understood what personal sin was? How would that be justice from a just GOD?

[Guest LadyC]

parker, again, the children came voluntarily to Jesus in that passage. they came willingly. they wanted to be in His presence.

furthermore, the children were children of who? the Jewish people.

[Guest]

Okey-dokey.

[Guest LadyC]

i see nothing in scripture that says the children fought against going to Him. Jesus told His disciples to allow the children to come to Him and to stop trying to stop them. in other words, "get out of the way of these kids so they can see me!" sure, the parents brought them to where He was. we don't let our kids run around without their parents during this day and age either.

and who were their parents?

they were the israelites. they were the believers.

nothing in scripture gives evidence that children of unbelievers are given the same consideration as those of believers. it is something that we simply can not know for certain. we can simply make educated guesses based on our understanding of scripture and the nature of God. and my understanding of scripture and God's nature is that it's quite possible that the firstborn of the egyptians did not go to heaven when God slayed them.

did you read the post a ways back that i addressed to you, about your children? you'd asked about your 2 year old. this whole debate really has no bearing on what would happen to your child, because you are a believer, and through you, they are sanctified til the day when they can make their own choice.

[Steve_S]

i see nothing in scripture that says the children fought against going to Him. Jesus told His disciples to allow the children to come to Him and to stop trying to stop them. in other words, "get out of the way of these kids so they can see me!" sure, the parents brought them to where He was. we don't let our kids run around without their parents during this day and age either.

and who were their parents?

they were the israelites. they were the believers.

nothing in scripture gives evidence that children of unbelievers are given the same consideration as those of believers. it is something that we simply can not know for certain. we can simply make educated guesses based on our understanding of scripture and the nature of God. and my understanding of scripture and God's nature is that it's quite possible that the firstborn of the egyptians did not go to heaven when God slayed them.

did you read the post a ways back that i addressed to you, about your children? you'd asked about your 2 year old. this whole debate really has no bearing on what would happen to your child, because you are a believer, and through you, they are sanctified til the day when they can make their own choice.

The Israelites were not the only ones who followed Christ and heard Him speak. Some of the Gentiles were there as well. In the Holy Bible, we hear about a Roman centerion who came to Jesus asking Him to heal His servant. The Romans were pagans. The Pharisees and scribes were also there as well. There were many Israelites who followed Him, not because they were believers, but because they saw Him perform miracles. They came with their sick and disabled to get them healed. When Jesus said that the kingdom of God belong to children, He did not specify what kind of children. Only man makes those specificiations. In fact, Christ said that to enter God's kingdom, one must have faith like a little child.

Matthew 18:2-6 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

For Christians to condemn a little child to Hell simply because their parents are unbelievers would be terrible in God's eyes. Jesus never condemned any little child. God loves everyone including the unbelievers....and most especially little children. He never specify which children because in God's eyes all little children are precious to Him. In the first place, Christ came to save the sinners and the unbelievers (Gentiles). Now, that we become believers, are we to condemn other unbelievers to Hell especially their children? That judgement should belong to God alone.

Actually, in the verses you quoted it sort of was specified.... "little ones which believe in me."

[Steve_S]

That's not what I was referring to........

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

What about offending one of the ones who don't believe in Him, is the penalty the same? Why would he specify "believe in me?"