making sure im not blinded from emotions when standing by Truth

[exrockstar]

The elections have passed and we know the outcome.

I talked to a deacon friend from a small church that I used to attend regularly and found out that their pastors urged the members to vote Obama.

I know that the nation is suppose to go downhill. But this really surprised me because there is meat in their sermons; it's not

a feel good church. The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like." I get it (2 Cor 11:3)

However, God has used non-believers to bring forth His plan for His people.

So I let that church go from "a place to go to." We will be friends but I feel they went off path somewhere.

An important note is because they've always stressed how the world is going downhill and we need to be a reflection

of God's glory. They cracked the whip but still felt that Obama and his party are the right choice.

I'm wrestling with the disappontment. any wise words for me, for or against, my decision?

[Tinky]

The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like."

That amazes me because we were/are suffering under an abortion loving, homosexual agenda supporting, socialist, unchristian, egomaniac. What are those pastors thinking?

[exrockstar]

The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like."

That amazes me because we were/are suffering under an abortion loving, homosexual agenda supporting, socialist, unchristian, egomaniac. What are those pastors thinking?

2 Cor 11:3-4

[other one]

The elections have passed and we know the outcome.

I talked to a deacon friend from a small church that I used to attend regularly and found out that their pastors urged the members to vote Obama.

I know that the nation is suppose to go downhill. But this really surprised me because there is meat in their sermons; it's not

a feel good church. The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like." I get it (2 Cor 11:3)

However, God has used non-believers to bring forth His plan for His people.

So I let that church go from "a place to go to." We will be friends but I feel they went off path somewhere.

An important note is because they've always stressed how the world is going downhill and we need to be a reflection

of God's glory. They cracked the whip but still felt that Obama and his party are the right choice.

I'm wrestling with the disappontment. any wise words for me, for or against, my decision?

The country lived through Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt, and we'll live through Obama if we don't let the Muslims take over... Get and Keep out of debt and don't live above your means, whatever that is. Who knows, Bill Clinton was different his second administration, so lets just see how it goes.

[exrockstar]

I have let this be known before but arguing and complaining about politics should not ever be a point to break fellowship over.

this is the heart of my struggle.

How can the pastors point at the evils of the world in their sermons yet come to their conclusion,

I don't really care about the members choices but spiritual leaders expressing this is different. Believe me, those pastors have exposed

me to some scriptures that have left me in awe.

However, they ought to know better.

Then again, I am holding them against what is "obvious" to me.

[Sevenseas]

I have let this be known before but arguing and complaining about politics should not ever be a point to break fellowship over. Our sole (and soul) purpose is to be about the business of advancing the kingdom, for God's glory and those in need of Christ, and not dallying in the entanglements of worldly affairs. We are in the world for God's ends, not of the world in service to earthly powers. The motto of America is "In God we trust" and that is where all our trust should go; if all the people did this with their whole heart, this nation would be an Eden. Changing laws does not change hearts. The Law was not enough for the Jews. As a citizen of heaven--and heaven alone, I need to add--our reliance is on spirit and grace through a total commitment on the love of God. Pagan Rome was a tyrannical rule of sin and cruelty: what did Jesus have to say? "Render unto Caesar..." God is in control.

I don't think he is worried about the politics. I think he notices that the ten commandments are being broken right, left and center by the person

that this pastor told the congregation to vote for

I am sure that would concern you as well

Abortion and gay so called marriage are not political issues.

[GoldenEagle]

The elections have passed and we know the outcome.

I talked to a deacon friend from a small church that I used to attend regularly and found out that their pastors urged the members to vote Obama.

I know that the nation is suppose to go downhill. But this really surprised me because there is meat in their sermons; it's not

a feel good church. The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like." I get it (2 Cor 11:3)

However, God has used non-believers to bring forth His plan for His people.

So I let that church go from "a place to go to." We will be friends but I feel they went off path somewhere.

An important note is because they've always stressed how the world is going downhill and we need to be a reflection

of God's glory. They cracked the whip but still felt that Obama and his party are the right choice.

I'm wrestling with the disappontment. any wise words for me, for or against, my decision?

I feel your pain exrockstar. Sounds like there was a compromise by church leadership. Remember we're not to put our hope on any one person or church but on Jesus Christ and God's word as found in the Bible. Honestly, I could not bring myself to vote for Obama due to his stances on abortion and same-sex marriage.

Hang in there brother.

I have let this be known before but arguing and complaining about politics should not ever be a point to break fellowship over. Our sole (and soul) purpose is to be about the business of advancing the kingdom, for God's glory and those in need of Christ, and not dallying in the entanglements of worldly affairs. We are in the world for God's ends, not of the world in service to earthly powers. The motto of America is "In God we trust" and that is where all our trust should go; if all the people did this with their whole heart, this nation would be an Eden. Changing laws does not change hearts. The Law was not enough for the Jews. As a citizen of heaven--and heaven alone, I need to add--our reliance is on spirit and grace through a total commitment on the love of God. Pagan Rome was a tyrannical rule of sin and cruelty: what did Jesus have to say? "Render unto Caesar..." God is in control.

I don't think he is worried about the politics. I think he notices that the ten commandments are being broken right, left and center by the person that this pastor told the congregation to vote for

I am sure that would concern you as well

Abortion and gay so called marriage are not political issues.

I agree Sevnseas.

Big Hug to you. God bless you!

Numenian I know you already know this but I disagree we're simply citizens of Heaven. We have dual-citizenship until Christ's return. We can deny the existence of the physical world around us all we want but that doesn't change we live in the world yet we're set apart.

[OldShep]

The elections have passed and we know the outcome.

I talked to a deacon friend from a small church that I used to attend regularly and found out that their pastors urged the members to vote Obama.

I know that the nation is suppose to go downhill. But this really surprised me because there is meat in their sermons; it's not

a feel good church. The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like." I get it (2 Cor 11:3)

However, God has used non-believers to bring forth His plan for His people.

So I let that church go from "a place to go to." We will be friends but I feel they went off path somewhere.

An important note is because they've always stressed how the world is going downhill and we need to be a reflection

of God's glory. They cracked the whip but still felt that Obama and his party are the right choice.

I'm wrestling with the disappointment. any wise words for me, for or against, my decision?

Yes, I am disappointed to. Any time I place my faith in man I often come out feeling disappointed. Walking the talk is a hard thing to do for all men, be it pastor or lay people. I place my Trust and my Faith in the Almighty God, Faith that tells me that everything is as it should be, for God, will turn what ever happens into something Glorious for His Use. Read God's word meditate on His Word and know that Jesus is the only man that one can trust in that will not disappoint.

If your teacher does not follow the path of what he teaches then one has to trust God that the good works in you will shine through to those around you or maybe it is time to get a new teacher. Yet, I would first bring whatever is bothering you up to this person, with another brother, the Word of God and prayer, before making any decisions on what to do.

ICL~~~Dennis

[LOVE SONGS]

The elections have passed and we know the outcome.

I talked to a deacon friend from a small church that I used to attend regularly and found out that their pastors urged the members to vote Obama.

I know that the nation is suppose to go downhill. But this really surprised me because there is meat in their sermons; it's not

a feel good church. The reasoning behind their support is because Romney was "anti-Christ-like." I get it (2 Cor 11:3)

However, God has used non-believers to bring forth His plan for His people.

So I let that church go from "a place to go to." We will be friends but I feel they went off path somewhere.

An important note is because they've always stressed how the world is going downhill and we need to be a reflection

of God's glory. They cracked the whip but still felt that Obama and his party are the right choice.

I'm wrestling with the disappontment. any wise words for me, for or against, my decision?

You made the right dicission.

In the book of Romans speaks of homosexuality...God is against it. Muchless same-sex marriages and.... abortion is murdering babies.

Obama is for abortion and same-sex marriages.

God tells us to beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing.

[exrockstar]

thanks all for the words.