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[Philo references - based on the cross references in the Comprehensive New Testament]

 

APPENDICES A TREATISE CONCERNING THE WORLD—

I. God being one being, has two supreme powers of the greatest importance. By means of these powers the incorporeal world, appreciable only by the intellect, was put together, which is the archetypal model of this world which is visible to us, being formed in such a manner as to be perceptible to our invisible conceptions just as the other is to our eyes.

 

ON FLIGHT AND FINDING – GE 1:26

 

(68) On this account, I imagine it is, that when Moses was speaking philosophically of the creation of the world, while he described everything else as having been created by God alone, he mentions man alone as having been made by him in conjunction with other assistants; for, says Moses, "God said, Let us make man in our Image."{19}{#ge 1:26.} The expression, "let us make," indicating a plurality of makers.

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This originally was from this discussion: http://www.worthychr.../page__st__20

Do you believe in the Trinity? If so, why? If not, why?

Biblical backing is always appreciated. Looking forward to a good discussion. :thumbsup:

God bless,

GE

You can not pick and choose what and what not your going to believe when reading the Bible. It's all or nothing and it clearly teaches about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.lol

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Didn't read all the thread so don't know if anyone quoted these verses in the OT, but it sure seems to be speaking of the Godhead/Trinity.

16)  Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there Am I: and now the Lord GOD, and His SpIrit, hath sent Me.

17)  Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 48:16-17

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Didn't read all the thread so don't know if anyone quoted these verses in the OT, but it sure seems to be speaking of the Godhead/Trinity.

16)  Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there Am I: and now the Lord GOD, and His SpIrit, hath sent Me.

17)  Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Isaiah 48:16-17

 

Hallelujah~!

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Don't forget the US Federal Government has three branches, each of which is the Government, but at the same time make up one united Government, not three separate Governments, if I understand right, some say our government was fashion after the Godhead, Isaiah 33:22.

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The case for the Trinity has been covered very well.

I can only add Col 1:15-16 NKJV He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things werre created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Jesus is Creator of the universe.

Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. The Holy Spirit is Creator.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness: Thus the Three are mentioned as Creator. Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One!"

In John 8:58 Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM. By claiming to be the I AM who spoke to Moses from the burning bush, He was claiming to be God. That is why the Jews took up rocks to stone Him to death in the next verse.

Our God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God and One Creator, in 3 persons.

I was raised in a church that denied the trinity and had taken every mention of the word out of the hymnal. It was a very liberal Disciples of Christ (Christian) church. I finally learned the truth in a Lutheran church. The understanding of our Triune God opened up the scriptures to me to much greater understanding. Prior to that I had been convicted of sin, repented and made restitution, read the New Testament entirely, all due to the leading of the Holy Spirit when I didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit. I had publicly confessed Jesus as my Savior and Lord and was baptized.

But I felt so cheated that my home church denied the Trinity and refused to reveal just Who God is. They even made light of the Lord's Supper, not even using scriptures that in any way pertained to it when serving it. We were not admonished to discern the Lord's Body and Blood or to search ourselves and confess our sins before partaking. They just passed out the elements. It all seemed so empty. I never heard the Gospel preached there till a new youth pastor came. That church has died back to a dozen people from 400. It is a dead church. No surprise.

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The case for the Trinity has been covered very well.

I can only add Col 1:15-16 NKJV He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things werre created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Jesus is Creator of the universe.

Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. The Holy Spirit is Creator.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness: Thus the Three are mentioned as Creator. Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One!"

In John 8:58 Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM. By claiming to be the I AM who spoke to Moses from the burning bush, He was claiming to be God. That is why the Jews took up rocks to stone Him to death in the next verse.

Our God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God and One Creator, in 3 persons.

I was raised in a church that denied the trinity and had taken every mention of the word out of the hymnal. It was a very liberal Disciples of Christ (Christian) church. I finally learned the truth in a Lutheran church. The understanding of our Triune God opened up the scriptures to me to much greater understanding. Prior to that I had been convicted of sin, repented and made restitution, read the New Testament entirely, all due to the leading of the Holy Spirit when I didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit. I had publicly confessed Jesus as my Savior and Lord and was baptized.

But I felt so cheated that my home church denied the Trinity and refused to reveal just Who God is. They even made light of the Lord's Supper, not even using scriptures that in any way pertained to it when serving it. We were not admonished to discern the Lord's Body and Blood or to search ourselves and confess our sins before partaking. They just passed out the elements. It all seemed so empty. I never heard the Gospel preached there till a new youth pastor came. That church has died back to a dozen people from 400. It is a dead church. No surprise.

Williamina, I had always heard that the Disciples of Christ was neither for or against the Trinity.  That is interesting.

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The case for the Trinity has been covered very well.

I can only add Col 1:15-16 NKJV He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things werre created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Jesus is Creator of the universe.

Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. The Holy Spirit is Creator.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness: Thus the Three are mentioned as Creator. Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One!"

In John 8:58 Most assuredly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM. By claiming to be the I AM who spoke to Moses from the burning bush, He was claiming to be God. That is why the Jews took up rocks to stone Him to death in the next verse.

Our God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, one God and One Creator, in 3 persons.

I was raised in a church that denied the trinity and had taken every mention of the word out of the hymnal. It was a very liberal Disciples of Christ (Christian) church. I finally learned the truth in a Lutheran church. The understanding of our Triune God opened up the scriptures to me to much greater understanding. Prior to that I had been convicted of sin, repented and made restitution, read the New Testament entirely, all due to the leading of the Holy Spirit when I didn't even know there was a Holy Spirit. I had publicly confessed Jesus as my Savior and Lord and was baptized.

But I felt so cheated that my home church denied the Trinity and refused to reveal just Who God is. They even made light of the Lord's Supper, not even using scriptures that in any way pertained to it when serving it. We were not admonished to discern the Lord's Body and Blood or to search ourselves and confess our sins before partaking. They just passed out the elements. It all seemed so empty. I never heard the Gospel preached there till a new youth pastor came. That church has died back to a dozen people from 400. It is a dead church. No surprise.

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]Williamina, I had always heard that the Disciples of Christ was neither for or against the Trinity. 

That is interesting.

This was in the Pacific Northwest back in the 50s. However the church 50 miles away is very strong in teaching the trinity. It very much depends on the church or the pastor. Ours refused to do it because the word isn't in the Bible.

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I believe in the Trinity because the Bible says their is a Trinity.I believe everything the Bible tells me.

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      20. II Corinthians 13:14 is the Apostolic Benediction:“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.” (II Corinthians 13:14).
      Why is there a change in the order of the persons of the Trinity, compared to Matthew 28:19, if not to show that in this Trinity none is before or after the other, and none is better than another?
      21. Philippians 2:6 “Who being in the form of God (in His pre-incarnate state Christ had the form of God) thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” (a prize to be held on to, not a prize to be won. AT Robertson).
      22. Colossians 2:9 “In him (Christ) dwells all the fullness (exhausts the limits) of the Godhead bodily.”
      23. I Thes 4:14 “them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” Jesus returns as God at rapture.
      24. I Timothy 3:16 “God was manifest in the flesh.” Jesus is God the Son conceived in Mary.
      25. Titus 2:13 “the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” Granville-Sharp rule: Jesus is God and Saviour.
      26. Hebrews 1:6 “Let all the angels of God worship him.” Only worship God. Matt 4:10, Ps97:7 Son is God
      27. Hebrews 1:8 “To the Son he saith, ‘Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever’” Psalm 45:6,7. Son is God.
      28. Hebrew 1:10 “And (to the Son he saith), Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:.thou art the same.” Son is unchangeable creator. Ps102:24
      29. Hebrews 1:13 To which of the angels said he, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 35
      30. I John 5:7 “There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 
      The heavenly and earthly witnesses in v.7,8 are confirmed in v.9 by God and men.
      The masculine article (oi) for “that” in v.7 is derived from the masculine nouns “Father and Word” in v.7.
      31. Revelation 1:17,18 “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth and was dead;” Jesus = first and last.
      Revelation 1:11 “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:” Jesus = first and last = Alpha and Omega.
      Revelation 22:12,13 “I come quickly; I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” Jesus=Alpha & Omega.
      Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the Almighty.” Jesus = first & last = Alpha & Omega =Almighty
      32. Revelation 22:3 “the throne of God and of the Lamb.” Both God and the Lamb equally own the throne.
      Revelation 22:3 “his servants shall serve him:” Both God and the Lamb equally own the same servants.
      Revelation 22:4 “they shall see his face.” Both God and the Lamb have the same face.
      Revelation 22:4 “his name shall be in their foreheads.” Both God and the Lamb have the same name.
      Revelation 20:6 “they shall be priests (of God and of Christ), and shall reign with HIM a thousand years” Revelation 21:22 “for (the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb) are the temple of it.” Both are temple of NJ Revelation 21:23 “for (the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light) thereof.” Both light of NJ
      33. God identifies Himself as “us” (a Trinity) in:‘God said “let us make man in our image”’ Genesis 1:26 ‘Jehovah God said, “Behold the man is become as one of us . . .’ Genesis 3:22. ‘Jehovah came down … the Lord said, let us go down.’ Genesis 11:5,7 ‘who will go for us?’ Isaiah 6:8. 34. Exodus 3:14 “I AM hath sent me unto you.” ‘I AM’ is the name of the angel of Jehovah, Jehovah, God (2,4,6) & Jesus in John 8:58 “Before Abraham was, I AM” & John 8:24 “If ye believe not that I AM”
      35. Psalm 110:1. God told David that David’s son would be David’s God. ‘The LORD (Jehovah) said unto my Lord (Adonai), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.’ Jesus applied this to Himself in Matthew 22:41-45 as a question: ‘If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?’ This shows that Jesus Christ would be both a man descended from David and David’s God.
      36. Isaiah 6:1-8,5. “Mine eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of hosts” on the throne in heaven. God asked Isaiah “who will go for us?” (‘us’ = trinity). In John 12:37-41, John said, “These things said Esaias when he saw his (Jesus) glory, and spake of him (Jesus).” Jesus was the King, Jehovah of hosts that Isaiah saw.
      37. Isaiah 9:6 ‘Unto us a child is born (human Jesus),unto us a son is given (God the Son): his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God.” Jehovah is Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21;Jer32:18; Ps 50:1
      38. Isaiah 44:6 ‘Thus saith Jehovah the King of Israel (Father) and his redeemer Jehovah of hosts (Son)”
      39. Isaiah 48:12,13,16 “Hearken unto me…Mine hand also has laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand has spanned the heavens:…Come ye near unto me,..the Lord GOD, and his Spirit has sent me.”
      Me, mine, my and me is God the Son describing his two works of creation and of incarnation to save man.
      40. Ezekiel 44:1,2 “This gate shall be shut…because Jehovah, the God of Israel has entered in by it.”
      In Luke 19:45-47 Jesus, who is Jehovah, fulfilled this prophecy, entering the east gate on a colt in 33AD.
      41. Hosea 4:1 and 5:15. Jehovah will return to ‘my place’ (heaven), till the Jews admit their offence of killing Jesus. “Hear the word of the LORD (Jehovah) (4:1),.I will go and return to my place (heaven), till they (Jews) acknowledge their offence (of killing Jesus), and seek my face: in their affliction (7 year tribulation) they (Jews) will seek me early.” Jehovah the Son came from heaven to be born of Mary as a man, he was rejected and crucified by the Jews. The resurrected Lord Jesus returned to heaven. Jesus will return when the Jews acknowledge their offence of killing Jesus. This occurs after the 7 year tribulation.
      42. Zechariah 11:4,12,13. “Thus saith the LORD (Jehovah) my God; (v.4). If ye think good, give me my price; So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver (v.12)….I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD’ (Zechariah 11:4,12,13). (silver, temple floor, potter field) These three prophecies were fulfilled in Judas betraying Jesus Christ in Matthew 26:14-16 and 27:3-10.
      43. Zechariah 12:9-10. When Jesus Christ returns to earth, He is identified as Jehovah God whom Israel pierced on the cross. “I (Jehovah) will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem (v.9). They (Israel) shall look upon me (Jehovah) whom they have pierced.” Jesus fulfilled this in John 19:37.
      44. Zechariah 14:3,4,5,9. When Jesus Christ returns to earth on the Mount of Olives, He is identified as Jehovah God (Zechariah 14:3,4). ‘Then shall the LORD (Jehovah) go forth and fight against those nations, And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives (v.3-4)....the LORD (Jehovah) my God shall come, and all the saints with thee (v.5)….the LORD (Jehovah) shall be king over all the earth.’ When Jesus ascended to heaven from the Mount of Olives, two angels told those witnesses present that “this same Jesus shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:10-12).
      45. In Zechariah 2:8-11, Jehovah the Son states twice that Jehovah the Father has sent Him to Israel. This proves that there are at least two persons in the Godhead, both called Jehovah.
      “For thus saith Jehovah of hosts (the Son).. (v.8) Ye shall know that Jehovah of hosts (the Father) hath sent me (v.9). ‘I (Jehovah the Son) will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that Jehovah of hosts (Father) hath sent me unto thee.” (v.11).
      Lesson: Jehovah (the Father) sends Jehovah (the Son). Two persons here are named Jehovah. This clearly proves that Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate state is fully Jehovah God.
      46. In Zechariah 3:2 “Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan”.
      One person in the Jehovah Godhead speaks about another person in the Jehovah Godhead. See Isaiah 48:16 Rules of Grammar dictate that: “Jehovah (the first person = person speaking) said unto Satan (the second person = person spoken to), Jehovah (the third person = person spoken about) rebuke thee.”
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