A Forgotten Day & a Forgotten Country

[apothanein kerdos]

Oh yeah, because our invasion of Tripoli never occured...neither did our war with Mexico. People have always lived in fear within America. If not from the French, then from the British. If not from the British, than to the Native Americans. If not the Native Americans, then the Mexicans. If not the Mexicans, then the Spanish. If not the Spanish then the Germans. If not the Germans then the Japanese. If not the Japenese then the Soviets. If not the Soviets then the terrorist. The thing is, we've been scared since our foundation.

[Trinity]

Steff here is something you should think of.

"The Man Without A Country"

Early 1800s, Nolan, in a fit of anger, told a military court that he never wanted to hear of the USA again. Nolan was sentenced to have his wish fulfilled. He spent the rest of his life at seas, never again to touch an American port and never to be given any news about the United states, As the years passed, he lived to regret deeply his rash statement and to long for any reminder of his home his family and his native land. He died abroad the ship 50 years later, and in those years he heard the name of the United States once. His exile taught him  the meaning of patriotism, however, and before he died he said, "There is not in america. . . a more loyal man then I. There cannot be a man who loves the old flag as i do."

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Steff i ask you to read the full thing here is the link The man with out a country Read the whole website. and to others a think its a good thing to read for everyone.

[Steff]

The reading comprehension of people on this board is appauling.

The point of the article was missed, by almost every single person here who posted. It's pathetic really.

AT:

I give it to you Steff, you are the all time trasher of America, you post more disgusting lies than anyone that I know of, and you appear to hate your country with a passion.

Nothing here is a lie. There is a difference between hating your country and loving it but pitying what it has become and what it has devolved into.

Nebula:

Steff -

The whole world has changed.

That's not an excuse. Do we change our morals and ideals because "The world has changed?"

The answer should be obvious. The truth does not change, and people sometimes don't like hearing it, but it is still the truth.

[Guest yod]

:::pphhhhhtttttt::::

I wish I had a pie right about now..

[AnotherTraveler]

Steff,

The "that America doesn't exist anymore" is a lie.

There are different issues today, but the same Godly people that through prayer really upheld our country have "decendents" today that still do.

Some people see a half empty glass,and some see a half full glass, but you see mud, and you throw out mud, and that mud slinging is getting so very old.

I have no desire to offend you, but you are offending me, as you cheapen the efforts of those that are trying to do good, your speech weakens the hands of the workers of good, and that is so very unChristian.

I have actually considered not reading any more of your posts, just to keep from this very difficult struggle.

[ayin jade]

The reading comprehension of people on this board is appauling.

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Thats nice.

[Steff]

There are different issues today, but the same Godly people that through prayer really upheld our country have "decendents" today that still do.

Some people see a half empty glass,and some see a half full glass, but you see mud, and you throw out mud, and that mud slinging is getting so very old.

And to me the glass is 50% too large.

I have no desire to offend you, but you are offending me, as you cheapen the efforts of those that are trying to do good, your speech weakens the hands of the workers of good, and that is so very unChristian.

I'm sorry that speaking the truth offends you. But at some point somebody has to say something before it is too late. I refuse to lay down and let people constantly trample the things that made this country great.

One result is you do indeed drive me to prayer, and I spent a lot of time tonight wondering in prayer before the Lord if I was right to be offended, and I am not right to be offended at you, so I do repent of my anger, and of anything that I might have said that is rude or condemning, but could you PLEASE lighten up on the condemning of America, please?

You assume too much in this case I think. I do not condemn America, but I do condemn some of our actions, some of the unsavory things are government does and all the actions it takes that are contrary to the ideals the founding fathers created this country on. The times may change, but the ideals should not.

I have actually considered not reading any more of your posts, just to keep from this very difficult struggle.

I'm sorry to hear that.

FYI, if I seam really touchy on this, please consider that yesterday a local boy (well, man) was killed in Iraq.

I'm sorry to hear that. One of my neighbors lost a grandson over there and it's been very hard on him so I do understand.

I have one son still there, and one son at Walter Reed Hospital still, and I am a Viet Nam era vet, and I trust that you mean well, but if our nation is so evil (as you declare) then it is not worth fighting for, and right this minute I just can't bear that thought, can you understand that?

I pray your son still over there comes home safely and quickly. I will not however be silent and pretend I support the War in Iraq or consider it a just action when I know it's not. I support our troops 100% but I do not support the war they fight for. The last 4 wars this country has fought in have never been properly declared, are/were disingenuous actions and are contrary to the ideals of the founding fathers of this country.

Sorry but I do not compromise my morals or ideals because it makes someone feel uncomfortable. Just like my rights, they are non-negotiable.

[AnotherTraveler]

I will not however be silent and pretend I support the War in Iraq or consider it a just action when I know it's not. I support our troops 100% but I do not support the war they fight for. The last 4 wars this country has fought in have never been properly declared, are/were disingenuous actions and are contrary to the ideals of the founding fathers of this country.

Sorry but I do not compromise my morals or ideals because it makes someone feel uncomfortable. Just like my rights, they are non-negotiable.

[amor]

Try posting this same garbage in France about France, and you might learn that they have laws against this, that the freedom you so quickly trash here protects you with, and allows everyones opinion, even yours.

My sons believe that they are serving in our military to keep America safe, and I personally have had about enough of your condemning America.

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If you are going to rant on about France, at least learn something about the place first, you are as free to say what you like about the the French state as you are about the USA. If you have really "had enough" of Steff's arguments either put up a coherent counter-argument, or ignore him.

[nebula]

Nebula:

Steff -

The whole world has changed.

That's not an excuse. Do we change our morals and ideals because "The world has changed?"

The answer should be obvious. The truth does not change, and people sometimes don't like hearing it, but it is still the truth.

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And you totally missed my point.

In 1886 there was no Securities & Exchange Commission, no Food and Drug Administration, no Interstate Commerce Commission, no Federal Trade Commission, no federal regulatory agencies of any kind. In 2003 every conceivable thing in America is regulated in some way by some level of government.

Here's an example. In 1886, people grew their own food or bought food fresh from market. In 2003, most of us buy from grocerys stores, and buying food fresh on a daiy basis is a bit hard. In 1886, they didn't have the whole mass slaughterhouses that give us our meat. Do you know what problems developed when food production and selling shifted from small-scale to large scale? Read The Jungle by Uptain Sinclair if you don't know. You want to go back to no FDA? You can gripe about the FDA problem all day, but, really, they have kept our food a lot cleaner than it would be without the regulations they have set.

In 1886 there were no crimes against the state