Satan fell from Heaven ?

[Littlelambseativy]

I am speaking about the area between heaven and earth - not the abode of the Father, the place where the powers and principalities of the air reside and have dominion - in addition to the earth.

[other one]

Lucifer was cast out of heaven as a cherub as in Isaiah and was given earth as his to rule and is now what Jesus and the fallen angels are what Jesus called the powers and principalities in the heavens. He still has access to the Father's throne as seen in Job and even with Peter where he asks to test the saints.

In Revelation that is where the war with Michael - the warrior angel - and the host of heaven will take place and Satan will be cast out of heaven completely and have no access to the Father and he will war with Israel and those who remain for the Tribulation.

There is some thought that Satan will attempt to stop the rapture and that is why Jesus will meet us in the air with the heavenly host as an escort.

I'm afriad the scripture your refering to in Revelations about the war in heaven is written in past tense, it has already occured and that satan is already stuck here on earth, all scripture refering to the fall is in past tense.................its nolonger a future event

While Satan was removed from his heavenly duties, he still had access to heaven during the time of Job. I don't know of anyone who believes that God and the other angels were meeting down here on earth when God was talking with him about Job.

And then there is "which Heaven" is he kicked out of in the book of Revelation...... There are at least three for the third heaven is spoken of in the Bible.

So it's not really cut and dry that this has already happened from my viewpoint.

[missmuffet]

I think I found my answer.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-access.html

[back2thebible]

I think I found my answer.

http://www.gotquesti...tan-access.html

from reading the websights opinion, I take it you now believe satan was cast down to earth and remains in this present day, although he still travels to and fro across the earth, as in the days of job

[Believer112]

Daniel 2:43

New King James Version (NKJV)

⁴³ As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Who are the "they"? Demons or aliens?

Edited April 10, 2013 by Believer112

[back2thebible]

Daniel 2:43

New King James Version (NKJV)

⁴³ As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Who are the "they"? Demons or aliens?

well clay is always referenced to as what humans are, so what ever iron is referenced as it seems to be much stronger than clay

[BlessedByTheBest]

i thought satan lost access to the throne of God once Christ completed His work on the cross..?

(unless summoned)

[BlessedByTheBest]

so are you saying that satan still has the ability to accuse after Christ paid the price for all sins?

[BlessedByTheBest]

yes, thank you Daniel.

in the case of Job, it is interesting that it seems that God challenged satan by highlighting what satan most likely loathes. a righteous man, in submission to his Creator.

so satan is not only an accuser of our sins, but also attempts to question our characters and integrity.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

the devil played right into it..

he questions Job's motives, and God's protection..

in this sense, it seems to me that it's an honor to be accused by the adversary. it may prove that one is striving to be upright and walking in righteousness..

it may perhaps be a reason why we should glory in our infirmities..

[BlessedByTheBest]

so the prosecutor is still kicking up dust, but now we've got an iron-clad defense.

jury's out!