Gay Christians who choose celibacy.....

[Guest shiloh357]

What does it mean to lust after someone? Is it merely to find them attractive?

Lust is selfish.  Lust is all about what you want and it doesn't take the good of the person being lusted after into consideration.  It is dehumanizing because they are simply an object upon which you can spend your energies upon.  Lust is not physical attraction.  It is a perversion of physical attraction. 

[Littlelambseativy]

Tho' this is about the homosexual and the rejecting of the physical act and some call this lust, I think we should all look at ourselves and follow Jesus command to daily pray the Lord's Prayer because none of us is innocent of any of the things we are told to keep from doing.

Covet money if you do not have enough - how about jewellery or new home or upgrade that you see your friend or neighbour having. 

How about the anger that you experience when your neighbour puts a fence on your property or something your husband/wife does without asking you or staying late and ruining dinner? 

Jealousy when his/her eye looks at another - and you immediately think the negative instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.

Are we so innocent to judge what the homosexual who is celibate is thinking without walking in his shoes?

[enoob57]

That doesn't sound like what people experience when they find other people attractive. 

If this was commented toward what I posted .... Your right in the experience- self is elevated in its own judgment of self. This is very easily

detected (this truth of lust)- merely pick a quality that you yourself find not appealing and lust after it! With ones self is the first instance of

consideration you naturally have a bias and that self same instance there can be no other consideration... this is the miracle of regeneration

God takes the place of self's seat and how purely objective reason becomes possible!  Love, Steven

[Guest shiloh357]

Tho' this is about the homosexual and the rejecting of the physical act and some call this lust, I think we should all look at ourselves and follow Jesus command to daily pray the Lord's Prayer because none of us is innocent of any of the things we are told to keep from doing.

Covet money if you do not have enough - how about jewellery or new home or upgrade that you see your friend or neighbour having. 

How about the anger that you experience when your neighbour puts a fence on your property or something your husband/wife does without asking you or staying late and ruining dinner? 

Jealousy when his/her eye looks at another - and you immediately think the negative instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.

Are we so innocent to judge what the homosexual who is celibate is thinking without walking in his shoes?

 

No one is judging the homosexual.  The homosexual is already under God's judgment.  We are judging the act of homosexuality AND we are pointing out that simply avoiding the act of sin while continuing to harbor and justify the sinful desires of the heart doesn't really deal with the real problem.

 

It is becaused they are under the judgment of God that I am compelled by Scripture to declare that fact.  Everyone of God's prophets were sinners too, but they still condemned sin.  Every servant of God is a sinner, but that does not mean are to remain silent about sin.  We are to call out sin and expose it for what it is.  Until we do so, sin never gets repented of.

[Littlelambseativy]

What about our own flaws or faults we may have a predilection toward them but is it sin unless we act on it? If we have a propensity toward gluttony but do not act on it is it still a sin or if I know I am a kleptomaniac but do not steal because I know it is sin am I still guilty of that sin?

[Guest shiloh357]

What about our own flaws or faults we may have a predilection toward them but is it sin unless we act on it? If we have a propensity toward gluttony but do not act on it is it still a sin or if I know I am a kleptomaniac but do not steal because I know it is sin am I still guilty of that sin?

 

 

 

 

I think you are missing the point.  It is when you justify and affirm those sinful propensities as okay and it is when you refuse to acknowledge them as sin and entertain the desire that sin begins.   And believe me,  when you harbor and entertain those deisres you WILL act on them at some point.   These gays tryingn to celibate will find in a matter of days or weeks that their attempts at celibacy will fail because they don't see the desire to be gay as a sin.  There is no impediment to keep them from falling back into sexual activity.  So while they may for a short time, be able to resist the homosexual urges, they will eventually fall to them.

[enoob57]

What about our own flaws or faults we may have a predilection toward them but is it sin unless we act on it? If we have a propensity toward gluttony but do not act on it is it still a sin or if I know I am a kleptomaniac but do not steal because I know it is sin am I still guilty of that sin?

 

The Holiness of God 'IS' unbounded and even the inanimate that is next to sin Jude 23 God is destroying! How lovely will be this

place of cleanness-  where sin has never been NOR even considered!

Yes this is Rom 7 and divided out by God in the outcome of what He keeps and what He does not! Even though we will not

be able to fully bring ourselves in the fullness of sanctification by control of body -we are gaining on it ... how wonderful to

love Him today more than yesterday and to be consumed by Him is satisfaction of the 'The Spiritual Being He Has Caused

to be in Us'...

Love, Steven

[Littlelambseativy]

The issue is sin the sin in which we were conceived because of the original sin of Adam and Eve. I do not know the mind of the homosexual but I do know that we live in a sinful world and that it is so easy to judge another. I do not know the struggles of those who see one of the same sex as attractive but if one who is heterosexual can control his feelings for one of the opposite sex can not one who is a homosexual control his feelings also? We would not judge as harshly one who is a heterosexual as we would a homosexual. Why?

[Guest shiloh357]

The issue is sin the sin in which we were conceived because of the original sin of Adam and Eve. I do not know the mind of the homosexual but I do know that we live in a sinful world and that it is so easy to judge another. I do not know the struggles of those who see one of the same sex as attractive but if one who is heterosexual can control his feelings for one of the opposite sex can not one who is a homosexual control his feelings also? We would not judge as harshly one who is a heterosexual as we would a homosexual. Why?

 

 

But I haven't judged anyone.  I am simply pointing out that they are simply decieving themselves into thinking that they are living godly by trying remain celibate.  They have failed to deal with the sin in their hearts because they claim that they don't believe it is a sin to be gay, or to have gay desires.  They only see acting on those desires as sin and I am pointing out that they need to come to Jesus for full deliverance.  

 

I think you are not really paying attention and are simply posting without really reading what is being said.

[Gandalf]

What does it mean to lust after someone? Is it merely to find them attractive?

How many posters on these threads have never been guilty of lust?