Are the Dead...?

[Littlelambseativy]

Everything that is not under the blood of Jesus will stand to accuse us. That is why Jesus told His disciples to pray the Lord's prayer which we should do daily. Forgive us our sins/debts/trespasses as we forgive our debtors/those who sin/trespass against us.

We must forgive in order to be forgiven and we must ask for forgiveness daily.

As for memories of things that happened to hurt us or the memories of those who are not born again Jesus said He will wipe away all the tears from our eyes and we will remember the sad things no more - not in heaven. As for those who do not know Jesus and are not born again, when they die they are separated from the love of God and go into darkness (at least separation from God the opposite of absent from the body is to be present with the Lord) then the judgement and eternal separation in lake of fire.

[missmuffet]

Everything that is not under the blood of Jesus will stand to accuse us. That is why Jesus told His disciples to pray the Lord's prayer which we should do daily. Forgive us our sins/debts/trespasses as we forgive our debtors/those who sin/trespass against us.

We must forgive in order to be forgiven and we must ask for forgiveness daily.

As for memories of things that happened to hurt us or the memories of those who are not born again Jesus said He will wipe away all the tears from our eyes and we will remember the sad things no more - not in heaven. As for those who do not know Jesus and are not born again, when they die they are separated from the love of God and go into darkness (at least separation from God the opposite of absent from the body is to be present with the Lord) then the judgement and eternal separation in lake of fire.

Yes,one minute after you slip behind the parted curtain you will either be enjoying a personal welcome from Christ or catching your first glimpse of gloom as you have never known it.They will be shrouded in darkness,a region of deprivation and unending regret.

[rjp34652]

 

Our soul is all of our memories - those which are good and those which can condemn. The history of our lives. No, this does not die but continues to live on as does the person in the presence of Jesus. How else can one believe that the souls of the Tribulation saints cry 'how long before our blood is avenged' if there is no memory after death?

If we will be like Jesus - He was fully aware while dead because He showed Himself to those in Hell/Sheol? No, we do not die, we are more alive than we are now and our senses are far more acute.

 

Yes,I think that our memories stay with us but I am wondering how much of our memory from our life on this Earth?We will know our mothers,fathers,siblings from our lives on this Earth so that involves our memories.But what about all the horrible things that happened to us on Earth?Their is no tears or sorrow in Heaven.

 

You write of lasting memories, but those are only enjoyed by the just - by the saved.

 

Memories are part of the identity - the self.   If one loses one's self for Jesus and the gospel, then one will find one's self again in Christ.   If one finds one's self, then the self is lost.   As it is with the earthly, so it is with the heavenly.   Those who are lost to Christ lose even the image of the self, their own memories and everything they have ever been.  They are eternally dead to themselves, to God, to earth and all.

 

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

[missmuffet]

 

 

Our soul is all of our memories - those which are good and those which can condemn. The history of our lives. No, this does not die but continues to live on as does the person in the presence of Jesus. How else can one believe that the souls of the Tribulation saints cry 'how long before our blood is avenged' if there is no memory after death?

If we will be like Jesus - He was fully aware while dead because He showed Himself to those in Hell/Sheol? No, we do not die, we are more alive than we are now and our senses are far more acute.

 

Yes,I think that our memories stay with us but I am wondering how much of our memory from our life on this Earth?We will know our mothers,fathers,siblings from our lives on this Earth so that involves our memories.But what about all the horrible things that happened to us on Earth?Their is no tears or sorrow in Heaven.

 

You write of lasting memories, but those are only enjoyed by the just - by the saved.

 

Memories are part of the identity - the self.   If one loses one's self for Jesus and the gospel, then one will find one's self again in Christ.   If one finds one's self, then the self is lost.   As it is with the earthly, so it is with the heavenly.   Those who are lost to Christ lose even the image of the self, their own memories and everything they have ever been.  They are eternally dead to themselves, to God, to earth and all.

 

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

HU???

[Gandalf]

We need to keep in mind that our concept of time is limited; once dead we leave those limitations and enter the heavenly realm or dimension where time is very different. A thousand years could be just a moment and a moment could be a thousand years. Trying to work things out in detail from our narrow earthly perspective is not going to succeed; God is greater!

[missmuffet]

We need to keep in mind that our concept of time is limited; once dead we leave those limitations and enter the heavenly realm or dimension where time is very different. A thousand years could be just a moment and a moment could be a thousand years. Trying to work things out in detail from our narrow earthly perspective is not going to succeed; God is greater!

I agree Gandalf.  

[Floatingaxe]

The dead in Christ are alive with Him and are with Him in heaven.

 

2 Corinthians 5:8

Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

 

The dead outside of Christ are alive in their spirits and waiting for Judgment. It is not a pleasant wait.

 

Luke 16:22-24

 “Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, ²³ and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side.

²⁴ “The rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in anguish in these flames.’

[enoob57]

We need to keep in mind that our concept of time is limited; once dead we leave those limitations and enter the heavenly realm or dimension where time is very different. A thousand years could be just a moment and a moment could be a thousand years. Trying to work things out in detail from our narrow earthly perspective is not going to succeed; God is greater!

Just to be a good Biblicist 1 day= 1000 years   I figure it is always safe to write the same as God ... Love, Steven 

[letstalkbible]

The believers are in heaven right now.The unbelivers are in shoel/hades Luke 16:22-23 waiting their final judgment and then they will be banished to hell which is their final place of punishment/torment.

The scripture does not say that the believers are in heaven, else there wouldn't be any need for a rapture (please read 1 Thessalonians 4: 14-17, they are however in a place, the believers in a place of rest and unbelievers in hell. The dead are asleep (St John 11: 11-14). as to the part about being conscious, I believe that they are not conscious of what is happening on earth Eccessiates 9:5-6) but to some extent apart of them liveth.

[missmuffet]

 

The believers are in heaven right now.The unbelivers are in shoel/hades Luke 16:22-23 waiting their final judgment and then they will be banished to hell which is their final place of punishment/torment.

The scripture does not say that the believers are in heaven, else there wouldn't be any need for a rapture (please read 1 Thessalonians 4: 14-17, they are however in a place, the believers in a place of rest and unbelievers in hell. The dead are asleep (St John 11: 11-14). as to the part about being conscious, I believe that they are not conscious of what is happening on earth Eccessiates 9:5-6) but to some extent apart of them liveth.

 

Where is that place of "rest" you are talking about?If the believers are not in paradise or heaven then where are they?The unbelievers are waiting their judgment in Sheol.No one will go to hell until after the judgment.I do not think the believers are in paradise any longer but in Heaven with Jesus.