Demonic or Phsycological

[Guest Gromore]

can anyone answer me a question...

How do you know when someone needs healing through 'normal' secular help e.g. counselling etc. or if someone needs healing through prayer - using spiritual warfare.

Can it do damage if one isn't identified correctly?

[nebula]

Well, that's a loaded question fo rnot knowing the situation.

If I may share my experience?

I've suffered from chronic depression since I was a child, and I have had moments of major depressive episodes (the range of being suicidal).

Every one of my major depressive episodes wer overcome through spiritual means.

Dealing with the chronic depression - I've gone through both routes. Well, I didn't rely on "secular" counseling; I went through the Christian counseling route.

The greatest breakthrough I've had was actually rather recent. I was going through some hard times, and to make a long story short, I was provoked into seeking the Lord for the source of my insecurity. The Lord took me back to a memory of an event that happened when I was a child. No need for details, I'll just say that a family situation happened that left me feeling rejected, worthless, and that I couldn't do anything right. I "learned" I had to be perfect or I'd be rejected. In dealing with that issue, I noticed a release from all these fears I had been wrapped in for so long!

Hope this gives you some perspective to think about!

[other one]

Malichi Martin used to say that you should have the person see a psycologist and a doctor to rule out those kinds of problems.

I personally don't know.

[Dad Ernie]

How do you know when someone needs healing through 'normal' secular help e.g. counselling etc. or if someone needs healing through prayer - using spiritual warfare. 

Can it do damage if one isn't identified correctly?

Greetings Gromore,

Regardless of what the source, Jesus is ALWAYS the REMEDY. Today we are relying much more on the secular doctors and pharmacologists than ever before. I am not saying that there are times when a physician or someone in the medical field is not needed. But START with prayer.

You should have fellowship with believers who are "open" to the "Spirit of God" that should be able to help you AND perhaps even instruct you in how you too can determine the difference between various types of illnesses, either physical or spiritual. Do not be afraid to look around, but find a good fellowship of believers that are well grounded in the Word of God.

I have seen demonic work in action, and though I am not as "sensitive", I also know that "my spirit" will identify a "like" spirit, but the Holy Spirit will check my spirit if there is more going on in the spiritual realm than I can see. It really pays to have the "full armor of God" on each day and to be prayed up.

So find some local fellowship and perhaps bring your "friend" (?) into their presence. Where 2 or 3 are gathered together in His Name, there He is also.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[hmh]

It seems that unless there is a problem with a chemical imbalance or an injury to the brain, all psychological problems are spiritual. Reminds me of the instance when Jesus had an encounter with the man who was living in the tombs. Next thing you know, this man was clothed and in his right mind. I'm not a psychologist but that is my two cents worth on what I studied in college in psychology.

[Guest Thomas I believe]

Regardless of what the source, Jesus is ALWAYS the REMEDY. Today we are relying much more on the secular doctors and pharmacologists than ever before. I am not saying that there are times when a physician or someone in the medical field is not needed. But START with prayer.

You should have fellowship with believers who are "open" to the "Spirit of God" that should be able to help you AND perhaps even instruct you in how you too can determine the difference between various types of illnesses, either physical or spiritual. Do not be afraid to look around, but find a good fellowship of believers that are well grounded in the Word of God.

I have seen demonic work in action, and though I am not as "sensitive", I also know that "my spirit" will identify a "like" spirit, but the Holy Spirit will check my spirit if there is more going on in the spiritual realm than I can see. It really pays to have the "full armor of God" on each day and to be prayed up.

Amen Dad Ernie !!!!! Jesus died on the cross and freed us from sin. The Lord can free us from any ailment

[Guest fyre_fly]

Well, that's a loaded question fo rnot knowing the situation.

If I may share my experience?

I've suffered from chronic depression since I was a child, and I have had moments of major depressive episodes (the range of being suicidal).

Every one of my major depressive episodes wer overcome through spiritual means.

Dealing with the chronic depression - I've gone through both routes.  Well, I didn't rely on "secular" counseling; I went through the Christian counseling route.

The greatest breakthrough I've had was actually rather recent.  I was going through some hard times, and to make a long story short, I was provoked into seeking the Lord for the source of my insecurity.  The Lord took me back to a memory of an event that happened when I was a child.  No need for details, I'll just say that a family situation happened that left me feeling rejected, worthless, and that I couldn't do anything right.  I "learned" I had to be perfect or I'd be rejected.  In dealing with that issue, I noticed a release from all these fears I had been wrapped in for so long!

Hope this gives you some perspective to think about!

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big hug ...I hope that the Lord helps heal all of the problems you have had , and continues to show you just how much you are loved .

As for the possibility demonic influence , like it has already been pointed out , the enemy or his cronies are always there , waiting for us to become weak . Be strong in Jesus and he will guide you as to how you should handle the situation . To God be the glory .

[OneAccord]

  Reminds me of the instance when Jesus had an encounter with the man who was living in the tombs.  Next thing you know, this man was clothed and in his right mind. 

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The problem is that we aren't seeing these kinds of miraculous deliverances in the church today, at least they are rare rather than common, so people tend to resort to drugs and therapy even when they already know Jesus. I believe 100% based on scripture that illness and affliction, both physical and mental are demonic in origin. Unfortunately I don't see the signs and wonders we're supposed to be able to perform in action. Don't know what's up with that.

[hmh]

[nebula]

big hug ...I hope that the Lord helps heal all of the problems you have had , and continues to show you just how much you are loved .

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Thanks, fyre fly!

The problem is that we aren't seeing these kinds of miraculous deliverances in the church today, at least they are rare rather than common, so people tend to resort to drugs and therapy even when they already know Jesus.  I believe 100% based on scripture that illness and affliction, both physical and mental are demonic in origin.  Unfortunately I don't see the signs and wonders we're supposed to be able to perform in action.  Don't know what's up with that.

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Actually, I know of ministers who are involved with deliverance ministries, as it's called. One I am personally acquainted with from church. Some of the testimonies he shares are dramatic like that.

So, yeah, it does happen!