Avoiding Raunchy Movies Doesn't Make You Legalistic

[MissPlaced_56]

Qnt's ' that episode was in 2009 i believe....

 

I hope they replay it soon for you!

[Guest man]

 

 

Deuteronomy 4

15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

 

 

Hey so I'm interested in something. How do you understand God sending Jesus as "God on earth" ... and how does it work with this scripture?

 

I'm not saying either are wrong. But there is obviously a nuance to that scripture I've missed.

 

Perhaps it is because the icons / carved images are created rather than the Creator? And when Jesus came, it wasn't an image, it was the real deal?

 

I am not certainly not an expert in that verse - but would like to hear your thoughts.

 

 

I'm no expert either. This is the way see and understand this issue. Others will no doubt see it differently and I'm fine with that. I do not have an agenda. I'm simply stating my beliefs.

 

There are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the bible. (The one in Revelation doesn't count.)

 

 

God is basically saying in that passage, "You have no idea what I look like, and if you make any religious images, I'll consider it 

an act of corruption".

 

That image of Jesus that we all recognize is a direct violation of that passage. It's a transgression of the Word. It's a religious 

image of a male.

 

Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, it's only natural to assume that Jesus is now a Spirit and spirits are 

invisible. The bible describes God as an invisible Spirit. Invisible means you can't see Him. If you can't see Him, what name 

really belongs to that image?

 

Just my thoughts.  

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Qnts,

 

You asked/said this..

Why do you have an urge to look at a depiction of God? What does it mean to you?

 

If God says do not take the Name of the Lord in vain, does it hurt to take His Name in vain? Many might argue that it doesn't hurt. But, it is against what God commanded. So if God said to not make an image, and we do, what does it hurt to have one and look at it?

 

The command against this is repeated in every covenant, multiple times through out scripture. Now, I was raised to view this as one of the strongest and most weighty  of the commands, because it is repeated so often in scripture. Not to get drunk or drink excessively is in scripture a few times, but not to make images is repeated over and over and over. Few Christians would say it is ok to drink alchohol excessively and I have heard many sermons against drinking, but then why do so many ignore this command which is repeated far more times in OT and NT?  Why do the churches which preach against drinking setup manger scenes on their church property, or have pictures/false images of Jesus in the building?    

I Personally think we need to remember the times in which these scriptures were recorded....there were many images being made by many  different religions, you need to keep things in there proper context(not in as YOU Qnts..this is generic).....

 

I've seen with my own 2 eyes people get 9 kinds of irriate over somebody wearing a cross around their neck......graven image..

Not to me,mine represent's the LOVE and Sacrifice poured out for me.

 

I'm going to tell you a true story,to illustrate my point here....

 

about a week before my dad passed away in 2008, he had been hospitalized for i thought was pneumonia (his cancer had returned, he knew that, just didn't tell us...)..any way it was the night of the superbowl, i was with him keepin him company....he needed to rest, his body was so tired..but he seemed afraid to fall asleep...his body was shaking..everytime he closed his eye's..he'd jerk awake..

 

one of the times that he did manage to doze off, his body was still trembling... i turned away.....

one the wall of his room was a cross with JESUS on it.....my eyes fell on this cross...and my thoughts began to center i was so worried about my dad that i hadn't been able to think.....part of me just wanted to run and i couldn't figure out why??... you see i had been praying for decades that when my dad's time came i didn't want to know when, were or how, my prayer was LORD just prepare me before hand.........and as far as i knew at that time he just had pneumonia ......

 

anyway my eyes landed on that cross...my thought's began to center as i silently prayed 'Father GOD please stop these tremor's, his body's so tired and he needs to rest in order to have the strength to fight this"......i turn my head back to my dad......his body was still..no more tremor's......

 

Now was i praying to a graven image...NO!..I was praying to GOD...that crucifix onthe wall was just a reminder THAT GOD WAS RIGHT THERE IN THAT ROOM...PEROID...

I stayed awhile longer, then decided to leave because I knew my dad wouldn't really rest as long as i was in the room...so i told him i needed to go and make supper for my family.....i hugged him, i could feel the tears starting to well up in my eye's..i didn't want him to see me cry.....so i got to the door and turnedback to throw him a kiss....he looked at me..said "I LOVE YOU BABY" I told him i loved him too...

Those were the last words that he was able to speak.....a few hours later they had to put a tube in his throat.....a week later we lost him.....i'll always be greatful to GOD for using that crucifix to remind me....THAT HE IS!!

 

Manger scenes are to HONOR CHRIST and what HE did for us all.....I see nothing wrong with that at all.......

 

EASTER we go to sunrise services and worship at the foot of a cross.....graven image..hardly...

 

It's giving HONOR TO CHRIST For WHAT HE DID FOR US All......showing our graditude......

 

i'm not worshipping those 2 hunk's of wood....I'm worshipping the one who hung on those 2 hunk's of wood for me..peroid.

 

wanna know what i get angry  about???

those folk's that wanna send us the miracle making blessed prayer cloth.....or the letter's that state that the HOLY SPIRIT gave them my address... seriously????.. really????..

then why is it adressed to occupant??

send a little money there's a tax on jESUS.....

that's what  get's my dander up.....hypocrites..liars thieves........babes in CHRIST that just don't know any better..the elderly being scammed.... these bottom feeders are hurting them.....set's my hair on fire!!!

 

so in conclusion... my honest opinion is simply this..if your additudes right.....these so called graven images.....molten idol's....are nothing more then reminders of GODS GREAT LOVE for us all.

[coheir]

 

 

 

Deuteronomy 4

15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

 

 

Hey so I'm interested in something. How do you understand God sending Jesus as "God on earth" ... and how does it work with this scripture?

 

I'm not saying either are wrong. But there is obviously a nuance to that scripture I've missed.

 

Perhaps it is because the icons / carved images are created rather than the Creator? And when Jesus came, it wasn't an image, it was the real deal?

 

I am not certainly not an expert in that verse - but would like to hear your thoughts.

 

 

I'm no expert either. This is the way see and understand this issue. Others will no doubt see it differently and I'm fine with that. I do not have an agenda. I'm simply stating my beliefs.

 

There are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the bible. (The one in Revelation doesn't count.)

 

 

God is basically saying in that passage, "You have no idea what I look like, and if you make any religious images, I'll consider it 

an act of corruption".

 

That image of Jesus that we all recognize is a direct violation of that passage. It's a transgression of the Word. It's a religious 

image of a male.

 

Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, it's only natural to assume that Jesus is now a Spirit and spirits are 

invisible. The bible describes God as an invisible Spirit. Invisible means you can't see Him. If you can't see Him, what name 

really belongs to that image?

 

Just my thoughts.  

 

 

I think this is a description of him during his time on earth, of course it was penned long before he came. while he was on earth he had a form; human form.

I could be wrong but in this verse "form" is not referring to the concept in the deu verse.

 

Also the rules, guide lines and laws I go by are all in the New Testament so the Deu verse does not apply.

Gal 3

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

Isa 53:2

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.

[Guest man]

the rules, guide lines and laws I go by are all in the New Testament so the Deu verse does not apply.

 

For your consideration.

 

 

From the New Testament.

 

 

Matthew 5

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 

 

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 

 

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them,he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 

20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

 

 

 

Something to think about regarding the OT.   

 

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Thanks.   

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[~candice~]

the rules, guide lines and laws I go by are all in the New Testament so the Deu verse does not apply.

For your consideration.

From the New Testament.

Matthew 5

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them,he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Something to think about regarding the OT.

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Thanks.

thanks, I agree with this comment and your earlier one.

Sorry to be brief but im on my phone

[Fez]

Deuteronomy 4

15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

 

Hey so I'm interested in something. How do you understand God sending Jesus as "God on earth" ... and how does it work with this scripture?

 

I'm not saying either are wrong. But there is obviously a nuance to that scripture I've missed.

 

Perhaps it is because the icons / carved images are created rather than the Creator? And when Jesus came, it wasn't an image, it was the real deal?

 

I am not certainly not an expert in that verse - but would like to hear your thoughts.

 

I'm no expert either. This is the way see and understand this issue. Others will no doubt see it differently and I'm fine with that. I do not have an agenda. I'm simply stating my beliefs.

 

There are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the bible. (The one in Revelation doesn't count.)

Actually there is one in the OT. I am not near a bible right now but will try and find it as soon as I am.

[~candice~]

Psalm 53?

 

It says he is not attractive, if I recall.

[Fez]

Psalm 53?

 

It says he is not attractive, if I recall.

Could be, sounds right, but I don't have access right now. Thanks though I will look it up when I find a bible. This is a work computer with limited access to certain sites only. I am blessed to have Worthy as one of them.

[~candice~]

IS 53

 

53 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.