Why did God create the physical universe

[OakWood]

 

 

Hi! Welcome. The only answer I can add is that He made us in His image. We are made with a creative bent as well as curiosity, so I have to wonder if God also has a curiositiy. We know he is creative since He is Creator. All things are made by Him,through Him and for Him. Moreover in Him all things consist or are formed or put together. Col.1:17

I like that answer.  Yes, we are curious and creative. I believe that God enjoys to see us be creative and learn new things, so long as we don't break his rules and we behave as his children. We are designed to live on Earth, but I have no reason to believe he was angry that we landed on the Moon, or that we have discovered for ourselves how his Universe works. There's nothing in scripture that says we can't do such things as long as we acknowledge God's power behind it all.

That was what bothered me about our moon landing. I didn't hear anyone give any glory to God or thanksgiving. It still grieves me. It seemed like a giant step in the wrong direction. Being out there and seeing the beauty of the universe and not giving God His due?

 

I'm pretty sure that many did give him praise for the Moon landing.

[Guest]

 

I'm pretty sure that many did give him praise for the Moon landing.

 

 

 

Frankly, I can’t think of the moon landing without thinking of the glory of God. I think about what it took to put the Apollo missions together—all the physics, the trigonometry, the calculus, the astronomy, the engineering, the biology, the chemistry, the technology, the catering, the political know-how, the financing, and let’s not forget the vision of the president who first set it up as a goal, John F. Kennedy—all coalescing into an achievement of extraordinary measures, I can’t help but think of a God who implanted within us the spirit of adventure and perseverance to accomplish today what a generation earlier thought to be impossible.

A person less spiritually inclined might argue that there was no miracle involved in that landing because all can be explained in human terms. But the spiritually sensitive might counter that simply because an event is explained in human terms does not necessarily preclude that event from a miraculous underpinning. Another way to put it is in the familiar saying, “the total is greater than the sum of its parts.” The great physicist, Albert Einstein, put it this way—“Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” http://www.jewishpost.com/cyber_rav/moon-landings-and-god.html

[Guest]

In other words why create a physical universe to add to a heavenly family; Is that your question

 

The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46

 

~

 

Sin

 

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh,

 

fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Ephesians 2:3

 

And Salvation

 

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

 

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

 

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

 

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-26

 

And Physical Resurrection

 

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:26-29

 

And The Love Affair Continues

 

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 22:3-5

 

~

 

Believe

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

Love, Joe

[Littlelambseativy]

A Worthy welcome!!

[before time]

Hi Tinky

 

 

God commands us to worship.

Left alone, human beings would have no desire to worship God, because the Bible says (without God drawing people to Himself) none would seek after Him.

John 6:44

Romans 3:11

 

 

How does this fit into the scenario, does God give us the dignity to worship Him on our own? Can a sinner worship God without Him demanding us to do so? How would that be worship if we only worship Him because He demands it? I don’t understand.

 

 

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

 

[The true worshippers] All who truly and sincerely worship God. They who do it with the heart, and not merely in form. Barnes'

 

 

Worship NT:4352  >proskune/ (pros-koo-neh'-o); from NT:4314 and a probable derivative of NT:2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)

 

KJV - worship. Strong's

[before time]

Hi Tinky

 

 

God commands us to worship#

Left alone, human beings would have no desire to worship God, because the Bible says #without God drawing people to Himself# none would seek after Him#

John 6:44

Romans 3:11

 

 

How does this fit into the scenario, does God give us the dignity to worship Him on our own? Can a sinner worship God without Him demanding us to do so? How would that be worship if we only worship Him because He demands it? I don’t understand#

 

 

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks#

 

#The true worshippers# All who truly and sincerely worship God# They who do it with the heart, and not merely in form# Barnes'

 

 

Worship NT:4352  >proskune/ #pros-koo-neh'-o#; from NT:4314 and a probable derivative of NT:2965 #meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand#; to fawn or crouch to, i#e# #literally or figuratively# prostrate oneself in homage #do reverence to, adore#

 

KJV - worship. Strong's

[Xavier_Fairchild]

boredom...   He was just fooling around with energy one day and  Bang....there was light...  thinking "hey that's cool" decided to run with it and the rest is history....

Totally agree wit dat. And it sort of explains why he created the means for drama after dat.

[FreeinChrist]

He is the Father....He wanted children IMHO. 

 

 

Scripturally speaking it is my opinion God wanted to expand his intimate family consisting of the Father and His Son Jesus. Angels not included since they were created and not born of God. They were, the angels,  not procreated as the human family which share the blood of our father Adam. 

 

I consider this because of the physical creation children are born everyday into which I would call the Royal Family of God. God's purpose was to give His Son siblings, and by doing so bringing many sons to glory. Here are some scriptures for my reasoning

 

I consider the following scriptures is more than just brotherhood

 

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

 

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

 

30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:28

 

In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

Hebrews 2:10

 

13 And again, "I will put my trust in him."  And again he says, "Here am I, and the children God has given me."  Hebrews 2:13

 

 

Has anyone ever heard of this theology, the net for me has not provided the name?

 

 

Hello and welcome to Worthy Before Time, I agree with MorningGlory and you on this.  And I think the Theology you are looking for is the Adoptive Theology.

 

14)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15)  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16)  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the Children of God.

17)  And if Children, then heirs; and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.

Romans 8:14-17

 

4)  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of  a woman, made under the law,

5)  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the Adoption of sons.

6)  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father.

7)  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, than an heir of God through Christ.

Galatians 4:4-7

Because of all that Jesus Christ has done, we have receive adoption into the Family of God becoming part of His Household,  Galatians 6:10; Ephesians 2:19.  We have been by grace, given the privilege of calling God our Father or Abba which is the Aramaic word for Father some would even say Daddy.  According to Jewish tradition slaves or servants are forbidden to address the head of the family by this name, but because of Jesus we can call God Father.  Again as always this cost us nothing but cost Jesus everything.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that ye though His poverty might be rich.

II Corinthians 8:9

 

 

 ;

 

 

[before time]

 

He is the Father....He wanted children IMHO. 

 

 

Scripturally speaking it is my opinion God wanted to expand his intimate family consisting of the Father and His Son Jesus. Angels not included since they were created and not born of God. They were, the angels,  not procreated as the human family which share the blood of our father Adam. 

 

I consider this because of the physical creation children are born everyday into which I would call the Royal Family of God. God's purpose was to give His Son siblings, and by doing so bringing many sons to glory. Here are some scriptures for my reasoning

 

I consider the following scriptures is more than just brotherhood

 

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

 

29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

 

30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:28

 

In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

Hebrews 2:10

 

13 And again, "I will put my trust in him."  And again he says, "Here am I, and the children God has given me."  Hebrews 2:13

 

 

Has anyone ever heard of this theology, the net for me has not provided the name?

 

 

Hello and welcome to Worthy Before Time, I agree with MorningGlory and you on this.  And I think the Theology you are looking for is the Adoptive Theology.

 

14)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15)  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16)  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the Children of God.

17)  And if Children, then heirs; and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together.

Romans 8:14-17

 

4)  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of  a woman, made under the law,

5)  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the Adoption of sons.

6)  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father.

7)  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, than an heir of God through Christ.

Galatians 4:4-7

Because of all that Jesus Christ has done, we have receive adoption into the Family of God becoming part of His Household,  Galatians 6:10; Ephesians 2:19.  We have been by grace, given the privilege of calling God our Father or Abba which is the Aramaic word for Father some would even say Daddy.  According to Jewish tradition slaves or servants are forbidden to address the head of the family by this name, but because of Jesus we can call God Father.  Again as always this cost us nothing but cost Jesus everything.

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that ye though His poverty might be rich.

II Corinthians 8:9

 

 

 ;

 

 

I would like to zero in on my question and some scenarios, a few off many more.

 

Did God create the physical universe to give His only begotten Son siblings; this is the main explanation of creation. It was not created, the universe, for mankind to live in a sort of paradise void of death. However the earth goes on forever with procreation.

 

The earth is only a bus stop, preparation, to heavenly life into God’s household. Man was made to die eventually of old age. So the only death Adam experienced in the Garden was spiritual death, separation from God.

 

God was not surprised when Adam ate the forbidden fruit; He knows the beginning to the end and what takes place in-between. Adam's sin was a product of his free will in the same way we have a free will to serve God or not.

 

The Son’s of God share the same glory Christ had prior to visiting the earth.

 

“And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” John 17:5

 

“all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world” Revelation 13:8