What do you think about breastfeeding? Cover or no cover?

[JustinM]

As for people being "offended" or feel entitled to correct the mother's behavior, I say mind your business, you aren't special enough to do anything about it.  No one is.  If a mother needs to feed her child, who am I to stop her, or have a problem with it?  Are you also going to tell me what I should or should not be feeding my children?

[Guest man]

As for people being "offended" or feel entitled to correct the mother's behavior, I say mind your business, you aren't special enough to do anything about it.  No one is.  If a mother needs to feed her child, who am I to stop her, or have a problem with it?  Are you also going to tell me what I should or should not be feeding my children?

 

 

[Micheal Westin]

due to the great perversion of minds on this planet, what is a natural thing should be covered so as not to feed devilish thinking

[TsukinoRei]

I wonder how many pro-choice people are offended by public breastfeeding. . .

 

 Probably quite a few! Our social mores have engrained a reflexive disgust reaction in a lot of people.  It takes time for people to learn to question these things, then choose to change.  I've never known anyone to suggest they find breastfeeding sexy.  The reactions I see in these discussions which are happening more often has always been either one of disgust, or collective shrugs.

Edited August 14, 2013 by TsukinoRei

[MorningGlory]

Are you also going to tell me what I should or should not be feeding my children?

 

 

Not even close to the same situation, Justin.  No one would be offended if you fed your kids happy meals at McDonalds.  Apples and oranges.

[GoldenEagle]

 

Yes, I'm not surprised you're not really interested in the subject matter. I will admit I'm frustrated you're not reading what I write and responding only to sections of what I say (particularly the last few sentences). How am I bypassing Scripture? I brought up the passage you quoted in Romans 14 today at 1:28pm U.S. Central time. Actually I had been studying it on August 11th.

 

I'm not a reader of long posts. And I do pick and choose what I want to respond too. That's not likely to change any time soon. I usually pick one thing that stands out to me and that's what I respond too.

 

Bypassing scripture. Let's have a look.

 

 

 

 

However, nursing mothers can have a different belief. In many instances according the the law in the U.S. in many instances she is exempt from doing so.

 

Explain that different belief. Are nursing mothers exempt from having to follow the scriptures? I'm just curious. 

 

And what do U.S. laws have to do with anything? It sounds like your saying, if U.S. law allows it, it automatically becomes biblical. I know that's not what you're saying, but it sure looks like it. The laws of this world do not replace the scriptures. I don't care how decent and compassionate they appear.

 

Moving on to the rest of your post.   

 

The issue about responding to one thing is that often the context of what is said is lost. That's like basing a whole doctrine on one verse of Scripture. Do you understand? While a cover or breastfeeding in modesty is advisable... And remember too I've said multiple times that a nursing mother should consider her weaker brothers and sisters in Christ... In the U.S. the law reads in 24 states that a woman has the right to breastfeed her child in private or in public and is exempt from indecency laws. What is so hard to understand about this comment in red?

 

I'm simply stating what the law states. Saying what the law states is not going against Scripture. If the law needs to be changed to conform to Scripture that is a different matter. But yet can we impose what we believe is Biblical truth on people who are non-Believers?

If you read these sentences in the context (see below) of what I said I specifically said that women can indeed nurse in a modest fashion... with or without a cover. I've seen it done. And didn't notice the woman had nursed until afterwards. (Or if I did I simply ignored it and moved on lol) A friend of mine who grew up in Africa said it was really strange to see a Christian mother nursing in public at church. It was even stranger to see the said Christian woman leading the music WHILE nursing her child. That's something hard for even me to imagine. Was she being immodest in the culture she was in? Nope. The breast is much less sexualized there I suppose.

 

 

 

I don't think we're saying something too different. I do agree that a woman can nurse in a modest fashion. I just am not convinced that this can't be done without a cover. I've witnessed it. I didn't even know it was done and over with until afterwards. No cover!

And that is your opinion <regarding using a cover> and option <requesting a mother use a cover in public> to do so brother. Which is a valid opinion or position to take.

However, nursing mothers can have a different belief. In many instances according the the law in the U.S. in many instances she is exempt from doing so.

If you have an issue with the U.S. law I can't help that brother. Unless of course you want to bypass Romans 13:1-7... ?

Rom. 13:1-7

¹ Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. ² Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. ³ For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. ⁴ For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. ⁵ Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. ⁶ For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. ⁷ Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Curious if perhaps this has to do with the state or culture you live in?

 

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

 

I said specifically that I'm not advocating ignoring weaker brothers and sisters in Christ. I do believe that we should consider those who struggle in the faith. Loving God and loving people is to be our guide. How that looks to each person in their culture, etc. can be different.

I also am asking for compassion to be shown to nursing women.

I said I'm trying to find a balance.

 

 

Regardless of culture and whatever else is out there, the Gospel never changes. 

 

 

 

You want find balance? Stick with the scriptures.

 

 

Moving on to the rest of your post.   

 

 

See previous post. You brought up Romans 14. If you have an issue about me stating what the U.S. law states then perhaps a good look at Romans 13:1-7 is in order? I agre The Gospel doesn't change - Jesus Christ crucified, risen in three days, forgiveness of sin for maknind, adoption as co-heirs in Christ, Christ's 2nd return.

Social norms (cover or no cover for example) do change. In Europe a freind told me if someone messes with a woman when she's nursing her baby covered or not covered that those bystanders around her wouldn't be getting on her (nursing mother) case but on the case of the person doing the messing. Perhaps in America children are de-valued (someone brought up the whole abortion issue for example). Food for thought.

 

And while we're talking about Scriptures what about the verses JDavis brought up?

 

Colossians 4:6 

Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

 

Ephesians 4:32

Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

 

I Corinthians 13:2

And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

 

God bless,

GE

[Guest man]

 

 

Yes, I'm not surprised you're not really interested in the subject matter. I will admit I'm frustrated you're not reading what I write and responding only to sections of what I say (particularly the last few sentences). How am I bypassing Scripture? I brought up the passage you quoted in Romans 14 today at 1:28pm U.S. Central time. Actually I had been studying it on August 11th.

 

I'm not a reader of long posts. And I do pick and choose what I want to respond too. That's not likely to change any time soon. I usually pick one thing that stands out to me and that's what I respond too.

 

Bypassing scripture. Let's have a look.

 

 

 

 

However, nursing mothers can have a different belief. In many instances according the the law in the U.S. in many instances she is exempt from doing so.

 

Explain that different belief. Are nursing mothers exempt from having to follow the scriptures? I'm just curious. 

 

And what do U.S. laws have to do with anything? It sounds like your saying, if U.S. law allows it, it automatically becomes biblical. I know that's not what you're saying, but it sure looks like it. The laws of this world do not replace the scriptures. I don't care how decent and compassionate they appear.

 

Moving on to the rest of your post.   

 

The issue about responding to one thing is that often the context of what is said is lost. That's like basing a whole doctrine on one verse of Scripture. Do you understand? While a cover or breastfeeding in modesty is advisable... In the U.S. the law reads in 24 states that a woman has the right to breastfeed her child in private or in public and is exempt from indecency laws. What is so hard to understand about this comment in red?

I'm simply stating what the law states. Saying what the law states is not going against Scripture. If the law needs to be changed to conform to Scripture that is a different matter. But yet can we impose what we percieve as Biblical truth on people who are non-Believers?

If you have an issue with the law I can't help that brother.

 

God bless,

GE

 

 

 

 

 

I have no issues with the laws of this country. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yet can we impose what we percieve as Biblical truth on people who are non-Believers? 

 

 

Does gay marriage and abortion ring a bell?

 

 

And just so we get this straight, I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone.

 

 

All I did was post some scripture.

 

 

 

 

 

Saying what the law states is not going against Scripture.

 

 

 

You're right, it's not. I don't understand why the law was even brought up. It has nothing to do with the christian perspective. 

[GoldenEagle]

 

I agree with you.  Everyone likes to point to Romans to show we shouldn't judge, but few will acknowledge that people aren't supposed to offend others by the things we allow.  It is a two way street.  There is no question that there are some who are offended by a woman who breastfeeds her baby in public, and for that reason, your position is a valid one.  Personally, I don't understand why people are so bothered by it, but many are.

 

 

Good perspective Butero.

 

If issues were a 2 lane on each side discussion sometimes I feel like people often try to close down opposing views... Instead of at least hearing the other side out and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it's just me.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

This second quote is not a personal attack. I am not mad at all. I will ask again directly. I will put the question at the end since this is typically what you respond to. Are you saying the Bible (based on the passages you quoted) is crystal clear that a woman should always cover herself when nursing in every circumstance and every culture?

 

 

 

If I was to say that I'd be lying. 

 

The passages I posted makes reference to those who are weaker in faith, easily tempted, etc. 

 

If I'm doing something that causes another to falter in their walk, I need to stop doing whatever it is I'm doing. I don't get special privileges because I'm uncomfortable. 

 

 

Done.  

 

 

Thanks for responding to the post.

 

Does that go both ways? Curious.

 

If a man who lusts after a woman because she's nursing her baby feels unloved and violated... Is this not a sin against her? Curious. Or does the man's lust have special priviledges?

Please clarify this position.

 

God bless,

GE