What can the devil do to believers?

[enoob57]

For those who believe satan can take away your salvation - God Says absolutely not!

Rom 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers,

nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing,

shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
NKJV

Love, Steven
 

[other one]

I think we give Satan more power than he has, and that is to ease our own conscience instead of it being us who sinned.

while I have to agree that in this sense most people do give Satan more credit (blame) than he deserves. I don't think that most give him credit for the sheer power that he has.  Compared to God he is extremely confined in his power, but compared with humans we are powerless.  Remember that the angel Michael would not confront him over the body of Moses but to simply say the Lord rebuke you.  Michael is one of the super dudes.

 

But even at that we do still have our free will and Satan can not make us do anything....   but I can testify that he can surely put you up to things just as he did Eve.  and he has millions of helpers to make up for not being everywhere at once.

 

So the devil made me do it is no excuse.....   but don't sell the enemy short, for he or one of his minions are always around to catch you not paying attention.    and he can always find someone down the street to come by and mess with you....   that's why bad things happen to good people in my opinion.   He's how people like our present president get elected.......   IMHO.

[Sevenseas]

 

I think we give Satan more power than he has, and that is to ease our own conscience instead of it being us who sinned.

while I have to agree that in this sense most people do give Satan more credit (blame) than he deserves. I don't think that most give him credit for the sheer power that he has.  Compared to God he is extremely confined in his power, but compared with humans we are powerless.  Remember that the angel Michael would not confront him over the body of Moses but to simply say the Lord rebuke you.  Michael is one of the super dudes.

 

But even at that we do still have our free will and Satan can not make us do anything....   but I can testify that he can surely put you up to things just as he did Eve.  and he has millions of helpers to make up for not being everywhere at once.

 

So the devil made me do it is no excuse.....   but don't sell the enemy short, for he or one of his minions are always around to catch you not paying attention.    and he can always find someone down the street to come by and mess with you....   that's why bad things happen to good people in my opinion.   He's how people like our present president get elected.......   IMHO.

 

 

Good advice.  The devil is NOT a toothless lion as the popular line goes on some programs on channels that shall not be named.

[Guest DRS81]

I have some good questions. 1. Why do some say the closer you are to God the closer you are to the devil. Is there anyway to walk FAR from the devil and not always have him lurking. For example, what's the point of staying close to God if the devil is always on your tail. 2. What actions does one take to fast. 3. When we say the devil has millions of helpers, is there scripture to support exactly how many demons are working under him besides the six already.
 

[other one]

I have some good questions. 1. Why do some say the closer you are to God the closer you are to the devil. Is there anyway to walk FAR from the devil and not always have him lurking. For example, what's the point of staying close to God if the devil is always on your tail. 2. What actions does one take to fast. 3. When we say the devil has millions of helpers, is there scripture to support exactly how many demons are working under him besides the six already.

 

in rev. john talks about there being ten thousands times ten thousand and thousands of thousands which would be thousands of thousands more than a 100 million.

 

if a third of them went with Satan, that would be more than 33 million fallen helpers for him in the angel realm, plus all the demons.

 

as for the devil  

 

James 4:6-7

 Therefore it says, "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble." 7 Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

NASB

 

[Micheal Westin]

according to the bible satan can deceive believers, deceit can lead a believer away from the truth, if your no longer in the truth, your lost

[other one]

what can the devil do to believers?

 

can you say "p e r s e c u t e"  ...

[enoob57]

according to the bible satan can deceive believers, deceit can lead a believer away from the truth, if your no longer in the truth, your lost

As this verse states you were not ever found they just thought they were Matt 7:21

and the verified truth of Scripture is simply -simple and plain->

1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us,

they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made

manifest, that none of them were of us.

NKJV

As far as believers being deceived God says He 'IS' able to prevent

Matt 24:24-25

 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders

to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  25 See, I have told you beforehand.

NKJV

The if possible in the reasoning of The Scriptures above NOT possible by these verses

below:

Rom 8:31-39

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He

not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's

elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died,

and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes

intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation,

or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

"For Your sake we are killed all day long;

We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers,

nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing,

shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NKJV

When God speaks this plainly the truth of His Possession 'Those born and sealed by God

The Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:20-22' others may say whatever but 'WE' know His Truth....

Love, Steven

 

[Micheal Westin]

 

according to the bible satan can deceive believers, deceit can lead a believer away from the truth, if your no longer in the truth, your lost

As this verse states you were not ever found they just thought they were Matt 7:21

and the verified truth of Scripture is simply -simple and plain->

1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us,

they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made

manifest, that none of them were of us.

NKJV

As far as believers being deceived God says He 'IS' able to prevent

Matt 24:24-25

 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders

to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  25 See, I have told you beforehand.

NKJV

The if possible in the reasoning of The Scriptures above NOT possible by these verses

below:

Rom 8:31-39

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He

not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God's

elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died,

and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes

intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation,

or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:

"For Your sake we are killed all day long;

We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers,

nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing,

shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NKJV

When God speaks this plainly the truth of His Possession 'Those born and sealed by God

The Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:20-22' others may say whatever but 'WE' know His Truth....

Love, Steven

 

 

 

 

seems Jesus and all the apostles wasted a whole lot of time warning the people who weren't really saved to begin with, nor would they be saved. as it makes no sense what so ever to warn born again untouchable Christians who can't be led away from the faith

I have to say the OSAS doctrine is probably the most unbalanced theology ever taught, but seeing where it came from explains alot

[Guest DRS81]

I have to say the OSAS doctrine is probably the most unbalanced theology ever taught, but seeing where it came from explains alot

 

Just because God is omniscient, doesn't make OSAS any less true. OSAS is truth, and his blood is forever.