Split: Your Views... Women Wearing Pants

[angels4u]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

 

I don't think we will be watching movies in heaven, or have time for stuff like that. 

 

Kilts, I have no problem with, but regular skirts I do.  One thing that I had a problem with was "Concerned Women For America," and how they were attacking a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt," about a boy who liked to wear skirts.  They said it promoted boys dressing up like girls.  I could just picture these women, sitting around wearing pant suits and jeans attacking a boy wearing a skirt.  In an exert from the book, you have a little girl asking what is wrong with it, since she wears pants, and they couldn't see their own hypocrisy.  I wrote them and said I would support their cause if they stood against women in pants, as well as boys in a skirt.

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

! John3:21in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

 

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, “Look not on his countenance or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him; for the Lord seeth not as man seeth. For man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

 

It is easy.  The kilt is not the same as a skirt.  It is similar, yet different, as coulottes are not the same as shorts.  They are similar, yet different.  I would liken a woman in pants to a man in a dress.  You can see a couple walking down the street, and the man and the woman both wearing a matching sweat shirt and jeans, and nobody thinks anything of it.  Let them be wearing matching dresses and see what kind of looks they get, or let the man have long hair and be wearing a dress and see what happens?  There is a complete double standard here.  How many women would want to be out with a guy in a dress? 

 

Do you think it's a SIN  when a women is wearing pants? I remember when I was very young we had a uncle who thought it was a  terrible sin  to see a woman wearing a pants......like there was no bigger sin! And also nobody was allowed to do anything on Sunday ,only to go to church and maybe read a book or something. This man was living under the law.

But when I got to know him I seen sides of him which were a lot worse then a woman wearing pants!

 

(Not saying anything bad about you) I think you are a nice man:) but please don't judge me

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

 

I don't think we will be watching movies in heaven, or have time for stuff like that. 

 

Kilts, I have no problem with, but regular skirts I do.  One thing that I had a problem with was "Concerned Women For America," and how they were attacking a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt," about a boy who liked to wear skirts.  They said it promoted boys dressing up like girls.  I could just picture these women, sitting around wearing pant suits and jeans attacking a boy wearing a skirt.  In an exert from the book, you have a little girl asking what is wrong with it, since she wears pants, and they couldn't see their own hypocrisy.  I wrote them and said I would support their cause if they stood against women in pants, as well as boys in a skirt.

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

! John3:21in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

 

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, “Look not on his countenance or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him; for the Lord seeth not as man seeth. For man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

 

It is easy.  The kilt is not the same as a skirt.  It is similar, yet different, as coulottes are not the same as shorts.  They are similar, yet different.  I would liken a woman in pants to a man in a dress.  You can see a couple walking down the street, and the man and the woman both wearing a matching sweat shirt and jeans, and nobody thinks anything of it.  Let them be wearing matching dresses and see what kind of looks they get, or let the man have long hair and be wearing a dress and see what happens?  There is a complete double standard here.  How many women would want to be out with a guy in a dress? 

 

Do you think it's a SIN  when a women is wearing pants? I remember when I was very young we had a uncle who thought it was a  terrible sin  to see a woman wearing a pants......like there was no bigger sin! And also nobody was allowed to do anything on Sunday ,only to go to church and maybe read a book or something. This man was living under the law.

But when I got to know him I seen sides of him which were a lot worse then a woman wearing pants!

 

(Not saying anything bad about you) I think you are a nice man:) but please don't judge me

 

Thank you for the last comment.  I can disagree with people and still like them personally.  I do think its a sin for women to wear pants.  Deuteronomy 22:5 says it is an abomination for a woman to wear what pertains to a man.  Are there worse sins?  I would think so?  Murder is worse to me, as is adultery and several others sins, but just because there are worse sins, that doesn't make it right. 

 

The problem with Sunday is it isn't the Sabbath and never was.  Biblically, the seventh day was the Sabbath, and the NT Sabbath is the rest we enter into when we turn our lives over to Christ. 

[LadyKay]

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

 

 

I have to say I love men who wear kilts and think there is nothing sexier then a man in a kilt. Could be my Celtic heritage.  ( am I going to be in trouble for say "sexy" on a Christan message bored?)

 Anyway, if anyone has any issue with men wearing kilts, they need to read up on their history. As I recalled men in Bible time wore robes, not pants. If you go by the pictures.

[LadyKay]

 

 I do think its a sin for women to wear pants.  Deuteronomy 22:5 says it is an abomination for a woman to wear what pertains to a man. 

 

Now days, there are pants that are made for women and pants that are made for men. If I buy my pants from the women section of the store, I am buying clothing that is made for a women. There for if it is a sin for a women to dress in man's clothing, I have not comet such a sin since my pants were made for a women to wear. There for I am wearing women's clothing and not man's.

 

And don't you dare say they are made the same because they are not. Men's pants do not fit a women very well at all. We have curves.

 

But do you feel the same about a women who wears a t-shirt? Because men wear t-shirts as well. Or do you just have the issue with the pants?

[Guest Butero]

 

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

 

 

I have to say I love men who wear kilts and think there is nothing sexier then a man in a kilt. Could be my Celtic heritage.  ( am I going to be in trouble for say "sexy" on a Christan message bored?)

 Anyway, if anyone has any issue with men wearing kilts, they need to read up on their history. As I recalled men in Bible time wore robes, not pants. If you go by the pictures.

 

 

 

I don't see them as the same kind of skirts women wear.  They look kind of odd, probably because I don't see them much, but I don't think they are sinful. 

 

Anyway,we are way off topic?  I only brought up clothing to make a point about how different people view different things as sinful.  We all have our own convictions, and reasons for them.  I wasn't looking to change the topic.  I don't know if anyone has anything to add about horror movies?  Perhaps we are talked out on that?  The closest thing I have seen to a horror anything this week was a couple of episodes of "Twilight Zone," and I haven't watched anything today, as I have had the Braves game on the radio. 

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 I do think its a sin for women to wear pants.  Deuteronomy 22:5 says it is an abomination for a woman to wear what pertains to a man. 

 

Now days, there are pants that are made for women and pants that are made for men. If I buy my pants from the women section of the store, I am buying clothing that is made for a women. There for if it is a sin for a women to dress in man's clothing, I have not comet such a sin since my pants were made for a women to wear. There for I am wearing women's clothing and not man's.

 

And don't you dare say they are made the same because they are not. Men's pants do not fit a women very well at all. We have curves.

 

But do you feel the same about a women who wears a t-shirt? Because men wear t-shirts as well. Or do you just have the issue with the pants?

 

 

The skirt worn by Jessie in "Jessie's Dream Skirt" was made for him by his Mother.  It wasn't made for a woman, yet "Concerned Women For America" saw it as sinful.  If you made a dress, and marketed it for men, it would still be wrong.  I view it as an unclean garment, similar to the unclean Babylonian garments mentioned in scripture.  I have heard every argument under the sun in defense of women wearing pants.  I could argue the same thing for men in a dress.  They could sew their own pattern to fit them, but it would still be dressing like a woman.  1 Corinthians 6:9 has the word effeminate mentioned as a sin, and in the definition, it includes soft clothing.  It isn't just that they are made to fit a man or a woman, but a dress would give a man a less than masculine appearance, as pants are not feminine, especially jeans. 

 

 

I see you edited your original post to ask about t-shirts.  Men and women wear shoes too, but I don't believe it is a sin for women to wear them.  Once again, I go back to the man in a dress.  How many women want to go out on the town with a man in a dress?  BTW, I have known women who wear jeans made to fit men.  I used to work with one.  She was very tall, and those were the only jeans she could find that fit.  Strangely, nobody noticed.

[LadyKay]

No one has ever mistaken me for a man just because I wore jeans. I see this is pointless I'm done now.

Edited August 28, 2013 by LadyKay

[Guest Butero]

No one has ever mistaken me for a man just because I wore jeans. I see this is pointless I'm done now.

If you put most men in a dress, you can still tell it is a man.  You have a better chance of convincing me television is sinful, than to convince me it is ok for women to wear pants.

[Guest Butero]

 

I was speaking of your prayer, something to the effect of, "Dear Jesus, I place Butero in your hands that he doesn't point the finger."  That's pretty close to what you said.  You pointed a finger while praying God would show me I shouldn't point fingers. 

 

That was a different thread! I'm talking about this topic and the subject of horror films / media entertainment. 

 

I thought I could reason with you, Butero, but your self-defense mechanisms are just too sky high for you to see things objectively. My husband suggested I quit conversing with you on this topic. I think he's right.

 

I know it was a different thread, but it wasn't long ago, and you were pointing a finger at me. 

 

I don't care if you have an issue with horror films.  I was just hoping you would come to the place where you would realize that we all have things we believe are sinful, because they were revealed to us, and we get accused of legalism if we bring them up?  You are no different than I am in that regard.  I certainly can't condemn you for it, because I am the same way.  I almost look at it like the alcoholic who won't admit they have a drinking problem.  I see a lot of my ways in you, but in different areas, so we but heads when we don't agree on something.  I would be more than happy to hear all of your objections to horror movies and Hollywood, and can respect them, if you could just accept my beliefs are what they are and respect them.  I don't expect you to agree with me all the time, and I won't always agree with you.  I feel like the idea of a message board is to share ideas and opinions, and not to lash out at others who don't agree with us?  BTW, I am not accusing you of lashing out. 

 

On another topic, why not invite your husband to join WB?  I would love to have his input on things?  Have a good night, and Nebula, don't take my disagreements with you to heart.  I have no ill feelings towards you.  I think I am just frustrated like you are, trying to get the other person to understand where we are coming from?  Tell your husband I said hello, and congratulations to him on your recent wedding.

[LadyKay]

1 Corinthians 6:9 has the word effeminate mentioned as a sin, and in the definition, it includes soft clothing.  It isn't just that they are made to fit a man or a woman, but a dress would give a man a less than masculine appearance, as pants are not feminine, especially jeans.

 

 

 

 

What is masculine and what is feminine is a matter of opinion. Based a lot on a person's culture.We no longer live in the age where jeans are only for men. Those days have passed. Our modern culture finds it to be acceptable for women to wear jeans and still be a women. And note the Bible verse you quote from says "it is an abomination for a woman to wear what pertains to a man"  it does not say women shall not wear pants. There for since I stated that if a women buys women jeans, she is wearing women's clothing. A man buying man jeans is wearing men's clothing. So I  do not see how this can be a sin. I sometimes wear my husband's shrunk down t-shirts that he can no longer wear. It is cheaper then me having to buy new clothes. I do not believe that I will be sent to hell for wearing my husband's old t-shirt. Didn't men and women back in Bible days sort of dress alike? I mean they all wore robes didn't they? Except some robes were for women and some for men. Its the same with jeans being for men and jeans being for women.