The seventy weeks prophecy

[TWTaylor]

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.

 

Until the Messiah is the 7+62=69

 

Dan 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

 

7 + 62 = 69.  The next verse says “after the sixty-two weeks” (69) and after 69 is 70. During the first half of the 70^th week the Messiah is cut off, (killed). At the end of the 70^th week the Roman army came and destroyed the city and the sanctuary. The war with the Romans continue until the Messiah returns. (the battles are kinda far apart, six million Jews killed in WW2)

 

Dan 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

Just explaining a little more in Dan 9:27. The Messiah confirmed the new covenant in the 70^th week, The Messiah is killed in the middle of the 70^th week and ends the sacrifice and offering.

 

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

 

The wing of abominations == The thing that led the Roman army was a eagle, with it’s wings spread, the Standard, like we use a flag in our army. The eagle is a abomination that leading the Roman army.

 

Lev 11:13 'And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard,

 

The subject was the Messiah and the city, and the time period of 70 weeks or seventy sevens, how some people can read something else in, I don’t understand.

[kwikphilly]

Greetings & Blessings Family in Christ

   

      Awww,Mega,I love you too!But I have to say,don't count me out yet(lol)as much as I feel Christ has fulfilled that part of Daniels prophecy as I said I do believe the prophecies are "two fold"by that I mean I do have a very open mind to what you are saying is yet to unfold.....

     There are too many instances where I do see your "theology" makes perfect sense,so lets just say,I have a lot to learn and am always willing and ready to take another look at something I may have not seen.....So,my brother You are right in that respect.....I am kinda perfect .....just kidding(only in Christ Jesus am I made perfect)

                                                                                                             With love(lots of it)in Christ,Kwik

[kingdomwitness]

Some of us also believe that the He in Daniel 9:27 is Christ Jesus. Who for one week confirm the Covenant with Israel and in the midst of the Week, gave His life, and rose again. The last part of the week was the fulfilling of the Gospel going only to the Jews, these are why the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Holy City, Daniel 9:24.

Christ was crucified in 30AD, and in 33/34 AD we read from the Book of Acts this message concerning Cornelius: When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. Acts 11:18

Just a different view for you to think about.

I partially agree with you cause in other bible translations apart from King James Version it says "And this foreigner shall make a firm agreement with the people"

Are you saying that Yeshua HarMashiach was a foreigner or a Gentile according to Daniel?

[FreeinChrist]

Some of us also believe that the He in Daniel 9:27 is Christ Jesus. Who for one week confirm the Covenant with Israel and in the midst of the Week, gave His life, and rose again. The last part of the week was the fulfilling of the Gospel going only to the Jews, these are why the 70 weeks are determined upon the Jews and Holy City, Daniel 9:24.

Christ was crucified in 30AD, and in 33/34 AD we read from the Book of Acts this message concerning Cornelius: When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. Acts 11:18

Just a different view for you to think about.

I partially agree with you cause in other bible translations apart from King James Version it says "And this foreigner shall make a firm agreement with the people"

Are you saying that Yeshua HarMashiach was a foreigner or a Gentile according to Daniel?

I would have to see the Bible Translation of which you are speaking, before I would comment to much on that. But do know that Matthew Henry Commentary also agree to this view I hold too. But would add that Malachi also speaks of the Lord coming to His Temple but before this Elijah would come; Malachi 3:1; 4:5-6 compare to Matthew 11:9-19. And remember Kingdomwitness that our Bible is divide into 2 section the Old Testament and the New Testament or which the word Testament is pretty much the same as Covenant.

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But Kwikphilly, may be on to something about the two fold prophecy; as we can see IMO a two fold prophecy here:

Hosea 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved Him, and called My Son out of Egypt.

I think we would all agree this is referring to Israel under Moses coming out of Egypt. But Matthew tells us this is also referring to Jesus coming back to Judaea,

Matthew 2:15

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called My Son.

OK Kingdomwitness I found the CEV uses the term foreigner but from what I saw states it could be translated this Chosen Leader (this from the word. But would say to call Jesus a foreigner is just a bad translation on their part, but if they had used a Chosen Leader it fits very well. Many Jews mourned the destruction of the Temple because they knew that the Messiah was to come to it before it destruction and be cut off, from the passage here in Daniel 9:24-27. Not recognizing Jesus Christ as the Messiah they missed His First Coming.

But why would they translate it a foreigner instead of He they took verse 27, to be referring to verse 26 the prince, but many of us believe that it is referring the Messiah, for the prince is only mentioned once but the Messiah is the main subject of this passage just as He is of the whole Bible, John 5:39.

So I'm saying the He in Daniel 9:27 is the Jewish Messiah who we call Jesus Christ. For the YLT also states He in Daniel 9:27; so that CEV just assumed that the He is the foreigner or perhaps even the antichrist.

This doesn't prove it to be true or untrue but for many centuries few taught what we now called the pretrib rapture theory. It has largely been taught in a greater extend from the time of Darby in the 1800, and before that a very few others, but since that period it as gain great momentum and is taught widely in many Churches.

[Floatingaxe]

Will antichrist literally make an agreement with perhaps Israel and the middle east? (Daniel 9:27)

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the mid week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease and for the overspreading of abominations shall be the one who makes desolate, even until the consummation and that which is determined is poured out on the desolator" (DANIEL 9:27)

 

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Yes.

 

Daniel 9:25-27 (NLT)

²⁵ Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven^[a] will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One^[b]—comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses,^[c] despite the perilous times.

²⁶ “After this period of sixty-two sets of seven,^[d] the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end. ²⁷ The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven,^[e] but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds,^[f] he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration,^[g] until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”

[TWTaylor]

How many of you have tried the numbers to see what a seven is?

 

I never could get the numbers to come out right. The first thing I thought was a seven was a Jubilee but that don’t work.

 

I haven’t tried this, but could a seven mean a generation? (70 years)

 

Dan 9:25 says  "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

 

So 69 weeks gets us to when the Messiah arrives or gets here (about the year 1, maybe a little before). Then after the 69 (after 69 is 70) He makes a covenant. Then In the middle of the seven (about 35 years old) He is cut off ( Killed) Then it talks about the Sanctuary (Temple) being destroyed. (70AD) A whole generation.

 

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

Edited October 5, 2013 by TWTaylor

[Floatingaxe]

Sometimes seven just means seven. In Daniel's prophecy regarding the 70 weeks of years, we are talking about groups of sevens---so weeks of years means groups of seven years. Therefore 70 weeks of years is 490 years. There is one week of years---seven years---left to God's agenda for Israel.

[other one]

I just yesterday finished a 16 hour video of Chuck Missler covering the Book of Daniel in detail.  If you can find that on Youtube it's worth the watch.  The files I have are way way too large to share.

[Guest blacksmith5416]

Daniel 11 has much to say about this.  Please comment on my interpretation here:

 

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Edited October 11, 2013 by OneLight

[other one]

if you think I'm going to download a file from a person with one post you're nuts.

 

that's my comment.