Give America a Break – Please

[nebula]

 

Yes, and it's been a nation for 65 years. 

 

We are also in the Hebrew year 5774.

 

So really, we could have about 200+ years before the end - if we relate Hebrew mellenia with the 7 days of creation.

did you know that the Jewish zohar  says the messiah will come onto the scene in 5773  which would be the entity we call the Antichrist.

 

 

No I did not.

 

So, who came onto the scene last year we should be aware of?

[nebula]

Sigh, funny how a topic about praying for our nation turned into another eschatology debate.

[alphaparticle]

Sigh, funny how a topic about praying for our nation turned into another eschatology debate.

I have to admit though, i think it makes sense in this case. A lot of times people want to hold the US up as somehow special to God as a nation, and keeping an eye on its ultimate destiny deflates that sense. I don't know that I would pray for 'the nation' myself, though the leaders and people in it sure.

[other one]

 

 

Yes, and it's been a nation for 65 years. 

 

We are also in the Hebrew year 5774.

 

So really, we could have about 200+ years before the end - if we relate Hebrew mellenia with the 7 days of creation.

did you know that the Jewish zohar  says the messiah will come onto the scene in 5773  which would be the entity we call the Antichrist.

 

 

No I did not.

 

So, who came onto the scene last year we should be aware of?

 

not a clue....  not sure we should even be looking.........   but it seems that i can't help myself.... so i watch.  the new pope has caught my eye largely because he's so different.  but thats all way short of speculation right now, but we should watch.

[nebula]

 

Sigh, funny how a topic about praying for our nation turned into another eschatology debate.

I have to admit though, i think it makes sense in this case. A lot of times people want to hold the US up as somehow special to God as a nation, and keeping an eye on its ultimate destiny deflates that sense. I don't know that I would pray for 'the nation' myself, though the leaders and people in it sure.

 

I'm not so sure the author had the End Times in mind, though. There certainly is no guarantee the US is a part of end time prophecy. 

 

I believe in general the author is advocating that we seek the goodness of the Lord rather than the harsh hand of the Lord for the land we dwell in - whatever land that may be.

[alphaparticle]

 

 

Sigh, funny how a topic about praying for our nation turned into another eschatology debate.

I have to admit though, i think it makes sense in this case. A lot of times people want to hold the US up as somehow special to God as a nation, and keeping an eye on its ultimate destiny deflates that sense. I don't know that I would pray for 'the nation' myself, though the leaders and people in it sure.

 

I'm not so sure the author had the End Times in mind, though. There certainly is no guarantee the US is a part of end time prophecy. 

 

I believe in general the author is advocating that we seek the goodness of the Lord rather than the harsh hand of the Lord for the land we dwell in - whatever land that may be.

 

I don't know, I suppose for me the end times perspective is about seeing the US as another nation, not better than or worse than Canada or Sweden fundamentally. I don't think it is blessed 'as a nation' or cursed 'as a nation' any more than these other ones. The only one that i have seen clear support for thinking this way is Israel, and I don't even know that that applies to the modern state there particularly. I suppose where I take issue with the author is the underlying presumption that we ought to accept the model that God blesses and curses nations on the whole in the first place, though he critiques the interpretation that 'the nation' will be cursed for falling away etc.

[nebula]

I don't know, I suppose for me the end times perspective is about seeing the US as another nation, not better than or worse than Canada or Sweden fundamentally. I don't think it is blessed 'as a nation' or cursed 'as a nation' any more than these other ones. The only one that i have seen clear support for thinking this way is Israel, and I don't even know that that applies to the modern state there particularly. I suppose where I take issue with the author is the underlying presumption that we ought to accept the model that God blesses and curses nations on the whole in the first place, though he critiques the interpretation that 'the nation' will be cursed for falling away etc.

 

OK, but I didn't notice he was singling out the US, other than that he's speaking to Americans.

 

Again, I believe he was simply advocating that we should seek for the blessing of our nation, not the cursing of it.

[Fez]

 

I don't know, I suppose for me the end times perspective is about seeing the US as another nation, not better than or worse than Canada or Sweden fundamentally. I don't think it is blessed 'as a nation' or cursed 'as a nation' any more than these other ones. The only one that i have seen clear support for thinking this way is Israel, and I don't even know that that applies to the modern state there particularly. I suppose where I take issue with the author is the underlying presumption that we ought to accept the model that God blesses and curses nations on the whole in the first place, though he critiques the interpretation that 'the nation' will be cursed for falling away etc.

 

OK, but I didn't notice he was singling out the US, other than that he's speaking to Americans.

 

Again, I believe he was simply advocating that we should seek for the blessing of our nation, not the cursing of it.

 

I agree with alpha. The title of the article is "Give America a Break – Please"

 

But I think it applies to any nation. The style of hie writing and his penmanship however verges on pontificating. (but that's just my opinion of his style, which I find laborious).

[Guest Butero]

Give America a Break – Please

October 7, 2013 at 10:52pm

Jim Croft

 

Throughout my Christian experience there has been a peculiarity with increasing numbers of believers that I find mystifying.  It is the assertion that political-religious tribulation, economic downturns and natural disasters will bring the unconverted masses to Christ and the churched to greater intensities of dedication to the Lord.

Some seem to get what might qualify as a crazed gleam in their eyes when they speak of America’s incoming just deserves.  It is as though their oratory is lathered with fervency about impending doom by the haunting cellos and French horns of the Jaws movie score.

 

The Scriptures, history and candid observation of the Church in oppressed nations do not support the premise that troubles guarantee massive upturns in zeal for the Lord.   Incessant pressures are more apt to incite frustrated discouragement that leads to willful departure from the faith.  There are relatively few who utilize subjection to life’s various tribulations as reminders of the brevity of this life and that Christians are to live with eternity in mind. 

 

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I have spent decades ministering in impoverished nations and in those under the antichrist thumb of Communism.  It is the best of the Christian harvest that are heralded as champions of righteousness in mission reports.  Those who have up-close and personal interaction with broad facets of the Persecuted Church are seldom candid about all that they witness.

Economic hardship does not inevitably produce holiness.  The nakedness of poverty creates boredom.  The prospects that nothing creative can be accomplished, ignites the challenge of lustful escapades.  My experience is that many poverty ridden believers in 3rd world nations have a brand of sanctification that exists from the waist up.

 

Politically based religious persecution does not always guarantee unified cooperation between different Christian groups.  Some of the most divisive attitudes and corrupt activity that I have ever seen amongst churches have been in Communist strongholds.  The shameful sins that are found in too many American pastoral leaders and their parishioners are just a prevalent with believers in countries closed to the Gospel.

 

It would be prudent for those who glamorize what tribulation can allegedly accomplish to keep the words of Jesus in mind.  The cares of this life include concerns about creative innovation to better livelihood and the resultant relational upheaval caused by the lack of reasonable provision.  These cares have no less capacity to choke out the Word’s productivity than the deceitfulness of riches.  When it comes to desires for more things, the oppressed are ever mindful; perhaps even more so than the affluent. (Matt 13:22: Mk 4:19)

 

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I do not think it is accurate to assume that the turbulence is solely designed to bring about experiential holiness in individuals.  I am of the opinion that the purification is more so a winnowing separation of chaff personalities from the Body of Christ. 

 

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During the Babylonian captivity, he commanded the Israelis to bless the cities in which they dwelt.  He promised that as they did so, the cities would prosper and the captives would in turn reap the benefits also.

 

I am confident that believers, who choose faith for America and resist condemning her, will experience greater measures of peace and prosperity than those who persist in woeful prognostications.  To give America a break is educated household preservation.  It will reap optimum results, no matter what the future holds.   

 

https://www.facebook.com/notes/jim-croft-ministries/give-america-a-break-please/636838846359979

I don't think that chastisement or judgement on a nation will automatically cause people to fall down on their knees and repent.  We didn't see that happen in Judah, but at the same time, the destruction that occured was at the hand of God, and I believe much of the things we are experiencing in this nation are judgements.  Asking the American people to give America a break won't do any good.  God is the one bringing the chaos.  The only thing the American people can do is repent in sackcloth and ashes. 

[Micheal Westin]

 

then again we could go by what the bible teaches in accordance with the last days and see that Christianity has a great falling away and decline in faith, and is further declined by the killing of those who really are believers, not to mention but the increase like birth pains of natural disasters and pestilances, floods earthquakes and the nuclear reactors that meltdown in there wake, 

hate to be such a Debbie downer but old testament instruction for a past captivity has no bearing on  what is promised in the last days for those who believe.

In fact Jesus has clearly stated "they will hate you and kill you"

 

now the good news He has overcome death and the grave, and the second death will have no effect on you

 

 

OK, but it's been "the last days" ever since the Holy Spirit fell on the believers in Acts 2.

 

Why should we insist that the End will occur this decade or even this century?

 

I never said it will, but isn't it  simply a fact that everyday that passes, it is just one day closer to its coming to pass

the bible clearly shows that the world gets worse and worse for all its inhabitants but more so for those who claim Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior 

this is simply a biblical fact, it will always be better for those who lived before us, the good ole days will really be the good ole days