Who Created Evil?

[Guest Loop]

I am saved from the penalty of my sins and reconciled with God. I have more peace in my life. I am becoming a better person through the changes He makes in me. Life before I had the Lord was bleak, empty.

Can you expand on that? What, barring talking out loud to an empty room, has changed? Do colours seem brighter? Does food taste better? Or is it just that you can cope better because you think you'll get a reward for your suffering?

The Catholics promoted that as part of their doctrine. You should ask a catholic. There are many differences between catholics and born again Christians. The Lord does not change.

Im not clear on how the catholics view this. I believe that they view the eucharist as changing to His blood and body, but Im not sure. Born agains view it as just bread and wine, taken as part of an observance to the Lord. It holds meaning to us, but is not the least bit canabalistic. At no time does it become body or blood to us.

You might eat a cookie shaped like a person. That doesnt promote canabalism either, even though it represents a person.

Right then. If it's from a different religion I'll leave it be.

The bible is the inerrant word of God. God breathed scripture. His Holy Spirit inspired the writers. The bible was faithfully copied, preserved. You can see old copies nearly 2000 yrs old that have not changed the text between then and now.

What do you claim is wrong in it?

Was it the King James bible that says "Thou shalt commit adultery"?

He has provided proof all around you. Some people refuse to see it.

Ah, the infamous cop-out answer. This, "God moves in mysterious ways", and "Suffer little children" are the immediate answers of questions you can't explain.

Just what exactly are we meant to look for? The intricate patterns in snowflakes? The shapes into which trees grow? The ebb and flow of the ocean? All can be explained by science.

If God is Omnipotent, why does he need believers? Is he just very insecure?

The Lord doesnt need us, but He loves us, wants us. Praise Him.

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Then he should try harder to secure my worship.

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1: Just trying to provide an opposing viewpoint. It's no good having a debate when both parties want the same thing.

2: I have no hate or malice against Jesus in person, even if there was such a person. It's his organisation I find redundant. Or rather, its methods.

3: And so because I expand on your metaphor it suddenly makes no sense?

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OK, so you hate Christianity.

Why? Who did what to you?

P.S. Your expansion had nothing to do with the point being made.

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I don't hate Christianity, I hate all Religion. I can see how it might be a good thing, but it's not being used effectively.

This is why we invented science: It's a unified purpose that the entire world can work to. Religion is not, and will not be until only one race of people exist. And you won't get that without genocide.

Edited December 5, 2004 by Loop

[nebula]

This is why we invented science: It's a unified purpose that the entire world can work to.

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No - that is not why science was developed.

I majored in science in college and have interracted on a science message board.

Science is about knowing the physical world, how it works, what it's made of, how we can (physically) improve our lives.

People may try to use science to achieve world peace, but that is not why people pursue science, that is not why scientists of the past performed their research nor searched for new discoveries.

It's all about knowledge (of the physical world) for the sake of knowledge.

You ae sadly mistaken.

[Budman]

did God really create evil?

Evil is...intentions and intentional acts (both being 'acts' or 'personally directed events' and not 'things') of intelligent agents, that violate the God-derived principles of love, fairness, or loyalty.

Acts and events are not made - they are done. God made and created 'things' and 'agents', not their 'acts' or 'events'...He 'did' His own 'acts' (of course), but other agents 'do' their own 'acts'. So God did not 'make evil'

warm regards

-bud

[ayin jade]

This is why we invented science: It's a unified purpose that the entire world can work to. Religion is not, and will not be until only one race of people exist. And you won't get that without genocide.

I dont see how you equate Christianity with genocide. Jesus died for all of mankind, not a selected race. I know many people of many races who are solid born agains. I dont view them by color at all.

Galatians 3: 26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[ayin jade]

I am saved from the penalty of my sins and reconciled with God. I have more peace in my life. I am becoming a better person through the changes He makes in me. Life before I had the Lord was bleak, empty.

Can you expand on that? What, barring talking out loud to an empty room, has changed? Do colours seem brighter? Does food taste better? Or is it just that you can cope better because you think you'll get a reward for your suffering?

I have a peace in my life not possible without being born again. I have growth that was not possible without being born again. I can cope better because He is with me in all things, and I see His hand changing my world. I see when He interacts and removes obstacles. I dont even think about rewards in heaven. The Lord is with me in the here and now. That relationship is special. When I pray, I dont pray to an empty room. I talk to a real living God. And that God answers me in ways I can hear Him.

The bible is the inerrant word of God. God breathed scripture. His Holy Spirit inspired the writers. The bible was faithfully copied, preserved. You can see old copies nearly 2000 yrs old that have not changed the text between then and now.

What do you claim is wrong in it?

Was it the King James bible that says "Thou shalt commit adultery"?

The bible says Thou shalt not commit adultery. Do you have a copy that does say that?

The Lord doesnt need us, but He loves us, wants us. Praise Him.

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Then he should try harder to secure my worship.

Some people rejected Jesus even though they saw Him. The responsibility is on you to look for God, to search for Him with all your heart mind and soul.

[Guest goliwogg]

I was wondering if God did creat evil. The reason why is i heard that if God created evil than he is not both good and holy, but i know that God is good and holy; so did God really creat evil? 

Ryan Carr

The result of sin is death. Evil came about as a result of mans (and satans rebelion) I believe it was a punnishment from God.

I am saved from the penalty of my sins and reconciled with God. I have more peace in my life. I am becoming a better person through the changes He makes in me. Life before I had the Lord was bleak, empty.

Wrong no-one can get better psalm 14v1 says there is non that doeth good. The only thing we become is dead to sin. Each step with christ we die and we no when we die because dieng hurts.

[Ovedya]

Closed until I have a cup of coffee and review this thread a little more. Please don't start a new thread. I'll get right back to this one.

[Ovedya]

2: I have no hate or malice against Jesus in person, even if there was such a person. It's his organisation I find redundant. Or rather, its methods.

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What makes you think that there was, or is, no such person as Jesus?

[serotta]

2: I have no hate or malice against Jesus in person, even if there was such a person. It's his organisation I find redundant. Or rather, its methods

I've read this several times now and still don't get it. Did you mean repugnant when you typed redundant?

Loop, I see know effort on your part to discuss anything, only a need to hurl insults and sarcasm so far. Do you just troll from one christian site to another or are you here for a reason?

God, I thank you for the many wonders you have worked in my life. I know that you are the God of miracles. Lord I just ask you to provide Loop with what he seeks. Reveal Yourself to him. Knock on the door to his heart in a way that he will hear you. I ask this in the name of Christ Jesus, Amen.