Parents long ago stood in long lines with their children to see Santa

[OakWood]

 

 

 

Saint Nick (Saint Nicholas) is not the same as Old Nick. In the same way that John Wayne is not the same as Bruce Wayne. However, I do agree that 'santa' is an anagram of 'satan'. Coincidence? Who knows?

However, many names are shared or are similar. Judas sounds similar to Judah (one letter difference), Joseph is the name of the Jacob's son, but also the name of a completely different person - the husband of Mary.

I think the Old Nick, Saint Nick thing is just a coincidence. I have a friend called Nick. Is he a saint or is he the Devil? He apparently shares a name with both!

 

 

Be a bit careful with that kind of thinking. Muslims use that to claim that Jesus refers to mohammed when He mentions the Holy Spirit as the Comforter. If you would like more info on that, just let me know. It is a twisted game of letters, just like satan and santa thing is.

 

 

I understand what you're saying but you're comparing apples to oranges. Muslim lies are harmful because they are an attempt to destroy salvation. Mohammed's little 'paracletus' trick is a deliberate and evil attempt to fool people. Santa is purely fictional - there is no correct or incorrect version of him, and even if twisting the word Satan into santa was deliberate, most people wouldn't notice it.

[Fez]

Santa is real, so is the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, I have seen them all at least once.

 

I also once saw a dog dressed as a reindeer. I did not believe that because the Chihuahua could not pull it off..

 

You need a Rottweiler for a reindeer. 

[Guest ninhao]

Once upon a time there was a girl named Eliza. Eliza was 7 years old and  was very angry at her parents because they had lied to her about Santa and she went to her favourite teacher, Mrs Munroe, to ask what to do.

 

"Mrs Munroe my dad and mom told me Santa was real and I just found out that he isn't. Why did they lie to me ?

 

" Well Eliza  your parents meant no harm but were simply continuing a long tradition of Christmas frivolity and cheer. Don't be too mad at them."  

 

" Ok Mrs Munroe but if there's no Santa what is Christmas all about ? "  

 

" Jesus of course Eliza, Jesus"

 

" Oh yes I've heard of him. Thanks Mrs Munroe I won't be mad anymore. I want to rush home now because I've left a tooth under my pillow for the Tooth Fairy and she always leaves me some money"

 

" Err ok Eliza but I think we should chat a little longer first." 

 

[Guest]

Santa is real, so is the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy, I have seen them all at least once.

 

I also once saw a dog dressed as a reindeer. I did not believe that because the Chihuahua could not pull it off..

 

You need a Rottweiler for a reindeer. 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

No one is telling their child that Santa is real.  

 

 

Really? No one? 

 

No.   It would cross the line into a lie if the parents attempt to convince a child that Santa is real after the child has figured out that Santa isn't real.  If they try to perpetuate the Santa myth at the point when it is time to stop, then it crosses the line.

 

 

That's quite the spin. A deception isn't a lie if the person being deceived doesn't know they're being deceived. And a deception only becomes a lie when the other person knows they're being lied to. 

 

 

Wow!  

That is not how I spinned and I provided an example to clarify what I meant, which you conveniently left out.  But I am not surprised.  I have long given up on expecting anything from you that includes integrity or honesty in how you debate on the boards. Don't you remember that they  taught us about that in Church??  Oh wait a minute...

[Sevenseas]

 

 

 

That's hilarious man...because the Cinderella in the book is a FAIRY TALE!  How does one lie about a fairy tale?

 

 

I suppose the same way one would lie about anything else.   

 

 

 

I love the irony...double jeopardy then?  

 

 

 

Please explain the irony and the double jeopardy thing.

 

 

Well, because you asked.....

 

the irony is you stating that it would be a lie to tell a child that they would be having a meal with Cinderella if it was not the Cinderella from the story

 

If the child believes it's the actual Cinderella from the book, then yes, they are lying.

 

 

Cinderella is not real...so how on earth would you expect the REAL Cinderella at a meal?  Ironic

 

Double jeopardy would be lying about Cinderella two times...one, the story itself, and then the lie that the real Cinderella was available for a luncheon

 

Not really sure I had to explain it, but there you go

 

  You cannot actually misrepresent an imaginery person when it is all make believe to begin with.  surely not.  I certainly do not think so....and find a statement like that to be well, off the wall.

 

Perhaps an imaginery lawyer to go with it?

 

It's ridiculous, IMO, to even have to explain it

[Guest man]

 

 

 

 

 

No one is telling their child that Santa is real.  

 

 

Really? No one? 

 

No.   It would cross the line into a lie if the parents attempt to convince a child that Santa is real after the child has figured out that Santa isn't real.  If they try to perpetuate the Santa myth at the point when it is time to stop, then it crosses the line.

 

 

That's quite the spin. A deception isn't a lie if the person being deceived doesn't know they're being deceived. And a deception only becomes a lie when the other person knows they're being lied to. 

 

 

Wow!  

That is not how I spinned and I provided an example to clarify what I meant, which you conveniently left out.  But I am not surprised.  I have long given up on expecting anything from you that includes integrity or honesty in how you debate on the boards. Don't you remember that they  taught us about that in Church??  Oh wait a minute...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well then, let's have a look at your example. 

 

 

 

 

 

No.   It would cross the line into a lie if the parents attempt to convince a child that Santa is real after the child has figured out that Santa isn't real.  If they try to perpetuate the Santa myth at the point when it is time to stop, then it crosses the line.

 

My Dad once tried to dress up as a monster to have a little fun with me when I was a kid. Once I figured out it was him, the jig was up and he had to stop.  Had he continued and endeavored to convince me that he really was who he was portraying and intentionally convinced me of that, then it would have been an act of deception.

 

Santa Claus and Rudolph are make believe and children and parents play along because it's fun.  That's it. 

 

 

 

 

I could pick this apart and show you that you're wrong, but anyone reading this can see that for themselves. My interpretation of your words are pretty much on the money.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have long given up on expecting anything from you that includes integrity or honesty in how you debate on the boards.

 

 

 

If that's true, why do you continue to interact with me? You say I'm dishonest and lack integrity, yet you're the one that always ends up  trying to assassinate my character in order to make me look less credible. Your comment here about church is a perfect example of that. What does my church attendance have to do with anything relating to this topic? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! It's nothing but a diversionary tactic used to draw people away from the actual issue. You don't want anyone to see that you might be wrong so you start pointing fingers in hopes that the focus will be taken off you and directed elsewhere. 

 

My advice to you is, if you truly believe I'm dishonest and void of any integrity, ignore me. It's as simple as that. 

 

[LadyKay]

Remember when life as simpler? You could be a Christian and put up a Christmas tree without anyone accusing you of worshiping trees. You could tell your kids stories about Santa without anyone making Santa out to be Satan. The guy who wrote the  poem "Night Before Christmas" was a minister, who wrote it as a bedtime story for his children. Sometimes I think we Christians try to complicate everything. Looking for evil at every turn. We have grown afraid to have fun , for fear that it may lead to evil in someway. This does not just go along with Christmas, but in almost every holiday. You can't even carve a pumpkin on Halloween without some one accusing you of worshiping the devil. Is this really how we want to live? Fearing that Christmas tress and pumpkins will send us and our children to hell?

 

 

if the child believes it's the actual Cinderella from the book, then yes, they are lying.

Seriously? Are we now going to argue about Cinderella?

[Guest man]

 

 

if the child believes it's the actual Cinderella from the book, then yes, they are lying.

Seriously? Are we now going to argue about Cinderella?

 

 

I want to thank you for that.       Calling someone a loser is really something to be proud of.  

[Guest man]

 

 

 

 

That's hilarious man...because the Cinderella in the book is a FAIRY TALE!  How does one lie about a fairy tale?

 

 

I suppose the same way one would lie about anything else.   

 

 

 

I love the irony...double jeopardy then?  

 

 

 

Please explain the irony and the double jeopardy thing.

 

 

Well, because you asked.....

 

the irony is you stating that it would be a lie to tell a child that they would be having a meal with Cinderella if it was not the Cinderella from the story

 

If the child believes it's the actual Cinderella from the book, then yes, they are lying.

 

 

Cinderella is not real...so how on earth would you expect the REAL Cinderella at a meal?  Ironic

 

 

If the child believes they are meeting the actual Cinderella, it doesn't matter that the character isn't real, because in that child's mind, they believe they are actually meeting the storybook Cinderella. That child parents deceived that child into believing a lie. The being that Cinderella really exists. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's ridiculous, IMO, to even have to explain it