Archangels

[EndSeeker]

I recently heard that scholars believe that Michael is Gods Archangel

and Gabriel is Jesus' Archangel and Lucifer was the Archangel of the Holy Spirit...

until he was cast out from Heaven... so is this true? / any input on this?

its odd how satan is here on earth and the Holy Spirit is within us

it sort of makes sense, and if you are not with God,

you're against God whether you know it or not.

So nonbelievers have satan/demonic entities ensnaring them

while we are protected by the Holy Spirit.

catch my drift?

[other one]

I'm not sure we have enough specific information to know that one way or the other.  I personally don't remember ever hearing that, and though I've spent a few minutes pondering I can't really think of scripture that would address the idea one way or the other.

 

It will be interesting to see what others have to say about it.

[OneLight]

That sure sounds like mans theology to me.   If you do a search in scripture for the word archangel, you will find the word in just two places.  1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Jude 1:9.  This sure is not enough scripture to make any doctrine out of, or base any par of theology on.  It sounds good, but is not supported by scripture.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings EndSeeker,

    Makes no sense to me at all,not in the least....as OneLight has pointed out there are only 2 references to archangels in the entire Bible,this only leads me to one conclusion....another Mystery of God that we have no need to know(now)......Father ,Son & Holy Spirit are One,why would each be designated an archangel,for what purpose?All the Heavenly Host proclaim,"Holy,Holy.Holy"....they are all subject to Gods Command,that would include Jesus & the Holy Spirit.....

                                                                                                                       With love,in Christ-Kwik

And remember Jesus said He watched lucifer fall from heaven like lightening

[EndSeeker]

yeah i remember kwikphilly, i had to ponder this also, and my explanation that i said was my conclusion after pondering, it doesnt matter to me at whether its true or not, idk what purpose it really serves either besides perhaps a guardian maybe idk if thats necessary tho. I heard this in a sermon, and he was just talking about how lucifer was in gold etc.. then he suggested the scholars theory or yeah mans theology he heard of, didn't say what kind of "scholars" then he went on saying "but anyway" then he continued on how satan fell from heaven like lightning, etc, the rest was all biblically solid so its cool. it was a good sermon it talked alot about other things too and around the moment i mentioned

[Guest]

Sounds Like Jesus

Along With The Joy Of His Archangel

And The Mighty Sound Of The Shofar Of God

 

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16

 

Calling Down To The Beloved

 

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

 

And Rejoicing Over

 

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:17

 

His Israel

 

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Sounds Like Michael

 

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9

 

Defender Of The Jew

 

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1

 

And Warrior Of The LORD, To Me

 

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:7-9

 

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Well Yes Indeed Brother.... It's God's Business

 

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:24-25

 

So I'll Leave The Archangel With The Father

 

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:15

 

And Joyfully Give The Glory Glory

 

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. Isaiah 42:6-7

 

To Yeshua, My Salvation

 

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:6-8

 

To Jesus

 

Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Psalms 103:1

 

Amen~!

[EndSeeker]

"Sounds like Jesus Along With The Joy Of HIS Archangel

And The Mighty Sound Of The Shofar Of God,"

so this isn't so far fetched? shofar is a ram horn trumpet yes?

so i imagine Michael sounded this trumpet? or when mentioned Michael contended with the devil over the body of Moses

did God send Michael? as for the Holy Spirit archangel lucifer yes that is far fetched !!!

[missmuffet]

I recently heard that scholars believe that Michael is Gods Archangel

and Gabriel is Jesus' Archangel and Lucifer was the Archangel of the Holy Spirit...

until he was cast out from Heaven... so is this true? / any input on this?

its odd how satan is here on earth and the Holy Spirit is within us

it sort of makes sense, and if you are not with God,

you're against God whether you know it or not.

So nonbelievers have satan/demonic entities ensnaring them

while we are protected by the Holy Spirit.

catch my drift?

In the Bible Michael is described as being ahead of all the Holy angels.His name means "Who is like unto God". Gabriel is one of the principal messagers of God.His name means "hero of God".

We all have satan and demonic presents around us.We as Christians can not be indwelled with a demonic spirit because we have the Holy Spirit in us.I do not know if unbelivers can be indwelled with demons.

Satan and demons tend to attack the believers more.Satans goal is for everyone to go to hell and not heaven.The new believers often have a difficult time.Satan also does not like it when you bring that Bible out.The more you are doing for Christ the more you could be harrassed.He already has the unbelievers so why bother with them?

[EndSeeker]

yes us Christians cannot be indwelled with a demonic spirit bc of the Holy Spirit

but unbelivers can be attacked by them.. like demonic possession, in exorcisms for instance

only Christians can be in the room..they are protected... but if a nonbeleiver is present,

the dark spirit can jump from the current body to the non believer.. scary right?

and i would think if they bothered non beleivers they could ensnare us just like a demon

[other one]

the people that I have dealt with who work with Christians having problems with demons tell me that they consider us kind of like a big hotel on the top of a hill.   Each room can be lighted with the Holy Spirit, but if there is any unconfessed habitual sins within the Christian, it's kind of like emptying that part of your life from the Holy Spirit and the light in that room goes out.    Within those rooms, demons can attach themselves and make havoc in the lives of the Christian......   it also hurts their ability to spread the gospel because people see their lights dimly.   They also tell me that it is nearly impossible to rid the person of the demonic activity for any length of time if the sin is not dealt with first.

 

As long as we have sin in our lives we will have to deal with demonic forces.  If you deal with the sin, you can order the demons away from you yourself for we all have authority to do so in Jesus name.   If you keep the sin, they don't seem to be obligated to leave.

 

You should never cast a demon out of a non believer who is not ready to invite Jesus to be his Lord and accept the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.  You are really doing a great injustice to the person for the demons will not leave him alone after you leave.  Non believers do not have authority over the spiritual realm and are helpless in dealing with demonic forces.