Luke 16:19-31 The Rich Man and Lazarus

[donfish06]

When Jesus was on the Cross their were two thieves,one on each side of Him.One was repentant and the other thief was not.Jesus said the the thief that was repentant "today you will be with me in Paradise".That indicates that after we die we immediately are in either heaven or hades.

 

I have read somewhere at one point that the translators misplaced the comma:

 

Luk_23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. 

 

They contend that the comma should be:

 

Luk_23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise. 

 

If this is the case, he is saying, "I tell you this today, you shall be with me in paradise." It changes it from him saying that he would be with him today, to "today I tell you"

 

[Guest DRS81]

 

Blessings everyone. Do you guys think this is proof that after we die we are to be with the Lord right away?

 

19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.23In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

 

 

Sheol/Hades was only a place for God's righteous until Christ, now to be absent from the body IS to be present with the Lord.

 

 

This parable isn't speaking about Sheol/Hades or the afterlife though. shiloh357 and ProphecyKid are right in their posts. Blessings.

[enoob57]

I don't think this parable proves that.

There is quite a debate of it being parable!

[missmuffet]

 

I don't think this parable proves that.

There is quite a debate of it being parable!

 

What is the debate about enoob?

[Guest ninhao]

Is the lesson here that we cannot serve both God and money?

 

 

I think a lesson is that Earthly splendour and favour are not evidence that you are righteous.

 

Oh another lesson is your fate is decided when you die.

 

Another lesson is listen to the living while you can !

[Guest DRS81]

Oh another lesson is your fate is decided when you die.

 

What do u mean.

[Guest ninhao]

 

Oh another lesson is your fate is decided when you die.

 

What do u mean.

 

 

Luk 16:26  And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

Oh another lesson is your fate is decided when you die.

 

What do u mean.

 

 

Luk 16:26  And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

 

 

 

But according to shiloh357 and ProphecyKid, this whole parable is not talking about the afterlife or the fate thereof. Rather I think the whole parable is talking about the condition of the spirit of the pharisee not repenting. Parables have no timeline, they rather teach moral lessons and speak to the heart. Repent from mammom and turn to God is the lesson I believe. Do not harden your hearts so much so as to reject God. If this is truly a parable then the people in it are fiction, rather the truth lies within the lesson learned. (Luke 16:30 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.) If a nonbeliever reads this, their fate isn't decided yet. They can still repent.

[Guest ninhao]

 

But according to shiloh357 and ProphecyKid, this whole parable is not talking about the afterlife or the fate thereof. Rather I think the whole parable is talking about the condition of the spirit of the pharisee not repenting. Parables have no timeline, they rather teach moral lessons and speak to the heart. Repent from mammom and turn to God is the lesson I believe. Do not harden your hearts so much so as to reject God. If this is truly a parable then the people in it are fiction, rather the truth lies within the lesson learned. (Luke 16:30 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.) If a nonbeliever reads this, their fate isn't decided yet. They can still repent.

 

 

Ok   yes they may repent while they're alive.

[other one]

Well, riddle me this.....     Why "do" they baptize for the dead???