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Blessings Everyone...

     Ah yes,in the last days it will be like it was in the days of Noah......well,it doesn't really matter what bodily form people have,,,,six fingers & toes ,giants or any other outward appearance but it is the hearts of men......the waxed cold,hardened hearts that are in rebellion against God ........mankind is certainly headed towards the "anything goes"society that Noah escaped by the Grace of God.....men with men,women with women, rape,human sacrifice to false gods,worship of idols,sexual immorality,just a self indulgent,do as you please generation         IMO I do not think we have seen anything yet,

     A far as the inter-breeding of angelic beings with humans,Scripture does not really support that in that Jesus described the angels in a way that leads me to believe they are without gender(they do not marry)....there is nothing  really that supports this either way but I think the sons of God & daughters of men where referring to the the geneologies of the line of Seth & the lineage of Cain......I don't know see how a "spirit" could have a physical union with a human being......

     Well,God Bless us all.......let us hold fast to the Word of God & continue to proclaim the Good News that Jesus is the Way,the Truth & the Life!God knows,so many are yet living in darkness

                                                                                                                                                     With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

I agree with your reasoning. When God created the living things, He also said that they are to produce after their own kind. There is no mention of angels reproducing (marrying), and also, they are not of the same kind as humans. I do not believe it is possible for a human and angel (fallen or otherwise) to mate and reproduce.  

 

I believe the bad union was of those who were obedient to God, and those who were disobedient, but great and powerful disobedient men.

 

 

 

 

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There is no mention of angels reproducing (marrying), and also, they are not of the same kind as humans. I do not believe it is possible for a human and angel (fallen or otherwise) to mate and reproduce.

 

Wrong-A-Mundo

 

Please review post #22, here:

 

 

 

 

KWIK, Hey Sister  :)

 

A far as the inter-breeding of angelic beings with humans,Scripture does not really support that in that Jesus described the angels in a way that leads me to believe they are without gender(they do not marry)....there is nothing  really that supports this either way but I think the sons of God & daughters of men where referring to the the geneologies of the line of Seth & the lineage of Cain.....

 

 

You're wrong sister.  Please review the Linked Post, #22

 

 

(they do not marry)

 

This is a reference in the NT of "Good" Angels.........................not the "Bad Guys"

 

for Instance.....

 

(Jude 1:6) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

(2 Corinthians 5:2) "For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:"

 

Habitation/House = "Oiketerion", it used in only 2 verses (see above).  It is referring to the Spiritual Bodies in which we Aspire too......and, from which those Fallen Angels Disrobed from!!

 

Please review post #22 and provide feedback.

 

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Blessings Enoch

    I did go back to your post #22 & I began reading as you very politely asked that I may,,,,but honestly ,Brother,as soon as I heard the phrases "preposterous "& "clumsily contrived" I did not continue reading.......I just don't care to share how I interpret the Scriptures with that kind of "spirit".......I respect your opinion & although I think you are referring to "wikipedia" for your Greek lexicon translation I would not put you down for it,,,,,,,,I am quite familiar with the epistle of Jude & in my studies of Koine Greek I have understood "oiketerikon "to mean abode,dwelling place & even domain or dominion......so in my opinion that is hardly Biblical support of disembodied spirits but may refer to earth(domain)it is not 100% clear.........as I have said earlier,I have not found support "either way"

        And as far as the line of "Seth".....that would be Noahs lineage,so it did not just "pop-up",,,,,,,,,,,,I am simply sharing my belief or opinion on these things & have no desire to debate them or to call your beliefs preposterous or to persuade you or anyone else to think the way I do..........so  you can"wrong -a mundo" all you like but I still love you ,I would not say you are wrong I just don't share your beliefs...............God bless you

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Blessings Enoch

    I did go back to your post #22 & I began reading as you very politely asked that I may,,,,but honestly ,Brother,as soon as I heard the phrases "preposterous "& "clumsily contrived" I did not continue reading.......I just don't care to share how I interpret the Scriptures with that kind of "spirit".......I respect your opinion & although I think you are referring to "wikipedia" for your Greek lexicon translation I would not put you down for it,,,,,,,,I am quite familiar with the epistle of Jude & in my studies of Koine Greek I have understood "oiketerikon "to mean abode,dwelling place & even domain or dominion......so in my opinion that is hardly Biblical support of disembodied spirits but may refer to earth(domain)it is not 100% clear.........as I have said earlier,I have not found support "either way"

        And as far as the line of "Seth".....that would be Noahs lineage,so it did not just "pop-up",,,,,,,,,,,,I am simply sharing my belief or opinion on these things & have no desire to debate them or to call your beliefs preposterous or to persuade you or anyone else to think the way I do..........so  you can"wrong -a mundo" all you like but I still love you ,I would not say you are wrong I just don't share your beliefs...............God bless you

                                                                                                   With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

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"I heard the phrases "preposterous "& "clumsily contrived" I did not continue reading.......I just don't care to share how I interpret the Scriptures with that kind of "spirit".

 

It wasn't any kind of "spirit" just a descriptor on how and who it originated from.  And it sure wasn't Scripture.  And I supported it.

 

Also.....(Proverbs 18:13) "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

 

That's what I operate on

 

 

"oiketerikon "to mean abode,dwelling place & even domain or dominion......so in my opinion that is hardly Biblical support

 

"Hardly Biblical Support" ??

 

It doesn't get any better than this......................

 

(Jude 1:6) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

 

(2 Corinthians 5:2) "For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:"

 

Habitation/House = "Oiketerion", it used in only 2 verses (see above).  It is referring to the Spiritual Bodies in which we Aspire too......and, from which those Fallen Angels Disrobed from!!

 

 

Sorry you didn't read the rest....I put alot of work in it.


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Blessings Brother Enoch

    Well,folly & shame unto me,huh-lol? God Bless you & Peace unto you my Brother in Christ.......

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Blessings Brother Enoch

    Well,folly & shame unto me,huh-lol? God Bless you & Peace unto you my Brother in Christ.......

                                                                           With love-in Christ,Kwik 

 

Too Funny Kwik.

 

I very much want you to read my post...as I said I put a TON of work into it and oodles of Time...it's pretty air tight. I have gotten ZERO rebuttals to it. Can't you put a napkin or a piece of tape over that part and continue reading?  :)

 

And, did you stop reading Matthew when Jesus said.......(Matthew 23:33) " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" ??

 

I think "Clumsily contrived" and "Preposterous" are a little less biting than this, No?


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Blessings Enoch,

     I don't know why it is so important to you that I read your post in its entirety because I am more tha sure you don't seek or need my approval or agreement as I most certainly do not need yours but if it will make you happy I will read it after I have my dinner,I promise you........Just because you do not get any rebuttals does not mean that everyone is in agreement with you,perhaps there are others like myself that simply do not care to debate such matters?

     It has taken me many years, Brother,,,,,where God has humbled me to the position I am in at this time of my life,I just don't have to "prove any points".......I am not saying that you do,I can just be better used in other areas

      I promise to read your post & I do love you...............& please don't compare Jesus addressing the Scribes & Pharisees to mere humans speaking condescendingly to one another,really?And Jesus can call me anything He likes & I will surely listen,I do think that what is good for God to say,is good for God to say!

                                                                                                     With love,in Christ....Kwik

Also,if I may add....perhaps if you have been where I have been ,in regards to the dark side....you may have had a different view of things(as far as the spiritual realm)....but thank God for Jesus!!!!!


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Blessings Enoch,

     I don't know why it is so important to you that I read your post in its entirety because I am more tha sure you don't seek or need my approval or agreement as I most certainly do not need yours but if it will make you happy I will read it after I have my dinner,I promise you........Just because you do not get any rebuttals does not mean that everyone is in agreement with you,perhaps there are others like myself that simply do not care to debate such matters?

     It has taken me many years, Brother,,,,,where God has humbled me to the position I am in at this time of my life,I just don't have to "prove any points".......I am not saying that you do,I can just be better used in other areas

      I promise to read your post & I do love you...............& please don't compare Jesus addressing the Scribes & Pharisees to mere humans speaking condescendingly to one another,really?And Jesus can call me anything He likes & I will surely listen,I do think that what is good for God to say,is good for God to say!

                                                                                                     With love,in Christ....Kwik

Also,if I may add....perhaps if you have been where I have been ,in regards to the dark side....you may have had a different view of things(as far as the spiritual realm)....but thank God for Jesus!!!!!

 

 

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I don't know why it is so important to you that I read your post in its entirety because I am more tha sure you don't seek or need my approval or agreement

 

No I surely don't need approval or agreement.  You're a fellow Member of The Body and I think you are in error and I am admonished to....

 

(2 Timothy 4:2-4) "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

and

 

(2 Timothy 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

 

 

Good?

 

Just because you do not get any rebuttals does not mean that everyone is in agreement with you,perhaps there are others like myself that simply do not care to debate such matters?

 

Yes, I am surely aware of this.  But we're talking Scripture not what I think..... and IMHO, you won't fully understand the OT unless Genesis 6 is clear.

 

 

I just don't have to "prove any points".......I am not saying that you do,I can just be better used in other areas

 

Agree 100%.....  we all have different Gifts and Missions

 

 

Scribes & Pharisees to mere humans speaking condescendingly

 

I wasn't speaking condescendingly and I was ready to support in Full, my assessment.

 

 

Also,if I may add....perhaps if you have been where I have been ,in regards to the dark side....you may have had a different view of things(as far as the spiritual realm)

 

I agree.  But I wasn't speaking to any dark side...just THE WORD.


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Blessings Enoch

    Okay...there is not too much in this life that gets on my last nerve except when one takes every sentence apart that someone has written,quotes them  & has some verse from Scripture they pick & choose to nit -pik(we all have our little pet peeves,& that is mine)................so,although I have just finished reading yout post #22....I graciously withdraw from this conversation as I can see the possibility of "Kwik" responding "out of spirit".....

    I think your theory & studies have a long way to go to arrive at the truth,IMO....I see too much reference outside of the Word of God & a whole lot of speculation....which back in the old days ,I have read most of your points of reference..............so please,let me bow out graciously as I do not wish to engage in this conversation any longer....thanks

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Blessings Enoch

    Okay...there is not too much in this life that gets on my last nerve except when one takes every sentence apart that someone has written,quotes them  & has some verse from Scripture they pick & choose to nit -pik(we all have our little pet peeves,& that is mine)................so,although I have just finished reading yout post #22....I graciously withdraw from this conversation as I can see the possibility of "Kwik" responding "out of spirit".....

    I think your theory & studies have a long way to go to arrive at the truth,IMO....I see too much reference outside of the Word of God & a whole lot of speculation....which back in the old days ,I have read most of your points of reference..............so please,let me bow out graciously as I do not wish to engage in this conversation any longer....thanks

                                                                                    With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

 

 

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Well then,

 

Okay...there is not too much in this life that gets on my last nerve except when one takes every sentence apart that someone has written,quotes them  & has some verse from Scripture they pick & choose to nit -pik(we all have our little pet peeves,& that is mine)

 

It's not intentional, I like to be thorough and I have a severe case of Type A  :)

 

 

I think your theory & studies have a long way to go to arrive at the truth,IMO....I see too much reference outside of the Word of God & a whole lot of speculation....

 

Sorry Kwik that doesn't cut it....and it's not "my Theory".  And My Main points were Directly Supported BY SCRIPTURE.

 

Please provide examples.....?

 

 

so please,let me bow out graciously as I do not wish to engage in this conversation any longer

 

So let me ask you something Kwik.  You're in your home talking to a Member of the Body and they say..... "I think your theory & studies have a long way to go to arrive at the truth,IMO....I see too much reference outside of the Word of God & a whole lot of speculation."

 

Then they get up and walk out without supporting anything, Save.....sweeping generalizations.  How would you feel?  What would you do?


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