missmuffet Posted April 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 If they didn't then some of them wouldn't have rebelled against God and taken the side of Lucifer, who himself is a fallen angel. As to fighting, consider Ephesians 6, how we wrestle not vs flesh and blood. Help me out Oakwood, I can't think of a passage that says that satan is a fallen angel. "And no marvel; for even Satan fashions himself into an angel of light" is a pretense. Revelation speaks of satan as having angels: "his angels." But is or was satan himself an "angel," that is a messenger? (Angel means "messenger.") To whom did he carry messages? If Ezekiel 28 refers to him, then of him it is said, "You were the anointed cherub that covers." But what evidence is there that cherubim (having wings, stationed at the throne of God) are angels (never said to have wings)? I'm not sure if he is technically an angel but he is a spiritual being. Are you saying that Lucifer was not an angel? To be honest with you, I'm not sure now. Lucifer was definately an angel.Would you like me to show you with scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted April 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted April 3, 2014 If they didn't then some of them wouldn't have rebelled against God and taken the side of Lucifer, who himself is a fallen angel. As to fighting, consider Ephesians 6, how we wrestle not vs flesh and blood. Help me out Oakwood, I can't think of a passage that says that satan is a fallen angel. "And no marvel; for even Satan fashions himself into an angel of light" is a pretense. Revelation speaks of satan as having angels: "his angels." But is or was satan himself an "angel," that is a messenger? (Angel means "messenger.") To whom did he carry messages? If Ezekiel 28 refers to him, then of him it is said, "You were the anointed cherub that covers." But what evidence is there that cherubim (having wings, stationed at the throne of God) are angels (never said to have wings)? I'm not sure if he is technically an angel but he is a spiritual being. Are you saying that Lucifer was not an angel? To be honest with you, I'm not sure now. Lucifer was definately an angel.Would you like me to show you with scripture? Yes please, do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Lucifer was probably one of the most intelligent and beautiful angels in heaven.Ezekiel 28:12-15 Satans pride led him to evil and to take 1/3 of the angels with him 1 Timothy 3:6.What are your thoughts on Satan?What would make you think that he was not created in heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2014 Lucifer was probably one of the most intelligent and beautiful angels in heaven.Ezekiel 28:12-15 Satans pride led him to evil and to take 1/3 of the angels with him 1 Timothy 3:6.What are your thoughts on Satan?What would make you think that he was not created in heaven? He is still one of the most intelligent and beautiful angels...... but not part of heaven..... and that's what makes him dangerous to mortals. Without the protection of the Holy Spirit he's much smarter than any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Lucifer was probably one of the most intelligent and beautiful angels in heaven.Ezekiel 28:12-15 Satans pride led him to evil and to take 1/3 of the angels with him 1 Timothy 3:6.What are your thoughts on Satan?What would make you think that he was not created in heaven? He is still one of the most intelligent and beautiful angels...... but not part of heaven..... and that's what makes him dangerous to mortals. Without the protection of the Holy Spirit he's much smarter than any of us. Yes,people do not give him credit for his very clever and sly ways.The best thing to do is to keep your armor on good and tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloe_fantastic Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 868 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/09/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1981 Share Posted April 4, 2014 If one considers cherubim angels, then he was an angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,836 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2014 Intetesting.... just what is an angel. What other beings are there. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloe_fantastic Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 868 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/09/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1981 Share Posted April 4, 2014 It's something I've thought about, angels, cherubim, seraphim, then there are those four living creatures. Are they all angels, just different sorts, maybe like lions, tigers, and jaguars are all "cats"? Or are they different? I don't think the Bible says, just something I've wondered and thought about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 If one considers cherubim angels, then he was an angel. I did read that Lucifer was a cherubim angel.And yes there is a classification such as cherubim angels.There are several classification of angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloe_fantastic Posted April 4, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 868 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/09/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1981 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Bo, can you show me where in the Bible it says that cherubim are angels? I'm not saying they aren't. I just haven't seen it stated in the Bible anywhere that they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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