The Christian church (and) Israel

[Willa]

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I have a new question. If Christianity and Jesus Christ are the only way to the Father, then why is the upbringing of Jesus based on Jewish and Judaism roots and not Christian roots. If Judaism is wrong and Christianity is right, then why is God's promised land based on the wrong religion when discussing salvation. Like why does Judaism exist if the religion doesn't point you to the Father? Why does Judaism exist kinda thing? If Christianity and salvation is based on having a relationship with Jesus then why does Judaism exist?

 

(John Hagee wrote in his book......"Every person reading this book has been blessed by the contributions that the Jewish people have given to the world. As we have stated, the Jewish people have given us the Bible, the patriarchs, the first family of Christianity, and the apostles. Christianity cannot explain its existence without Judaism. That's why our faith is referred as the Judeo-Christian faith. Our roots are found in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." - From the book, Four blood moons

 

If this is so, then I must be missing something. Does Judaism also teach John 14:6? I'm also gonna be reading up more on the Jewish holidays and religion so I can cover my basis.

PS I take John Hagee with a grain of salt. It would be safer to stick to the Bible.

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

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I have a new question. If Christianity and Jesus Christ are the only way to the Father, then why is the upbringing of Jesus based on Jewish and Judaism roots and not Christian roots. If Judaism is wrong and Christianity is right, then why is God's promised land based on the wrong religion when discussing salvation. Like why does Judaism exist if the religion doesn't point you to the Father? Why does Judaism exist kinda thing? If Christianity and salvation is based on having a relationship with Jesus then why does Judaism exist?

 

(John Hagee wrote in his book......"Every person reading this book has been blessed by the contributions that the Jewish people have given to the world. As we have stated, the Jewish people have given us the Bible, the patriarchs, the first family of Christianity, and the apostles. Christianity cannot explain its existence without Judaism. That's why our faith is referred as the Judeo-Christian faith. Our roots are found in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." - From the book, Four blood moons

 

If this is so, then I must be missing something. Does Judaism also teach John 14:6? I'm also gonna be reading up more on the Jewish holidays and religion so I can cover my basis.

PS I take John Hagee with a grain of salt. It would be safer to stick to the Bible.

 

 

No, Hagee is the one supporting Israel and Judaism. I'm the one with the dumb questions, ha. I'm gonna come back and read your guys posts soon. Thank you.

[Qnts2]

 

 

 

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I have a new question. If Christianity and Jesus Christ are the only way to the Father, then why is the upbringing of Jesus based on Jewish and Judaism roots and not Christian roots. If Judaism is wrong and Christianity is right, then why is God's promised land based on the wrong religion when discussing salvation. Like why does Judaism exist if the religion doesn't point you to the Father? Why does Judaism exist kinda thing? If Christianity and salvation is based on having a relationship with Jesus then why does Judaism exist?

 

(John Hagee wrote in his book......"Every person reading this book has been blessed by the contributions that the Jewish people have given to the world. As we have stated, the Jewish people have given us the Bible, the patriarchs, the first family of Christianity, and the apostles. Christianity cannot explain its existence without Judaism. That's why our faith is referred as the Judeo-Christian faith. Our roots are found in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." - From the book, Four blood moons

 

If this is so, then I must be missing something. Does Judaism also teach John 14:6? I'm also gonna be reading up more on the Jewish holidays and religion so I can cover my basis.

PS I take John Hagee with a grain of salt. It would be safer to stick to the Bible.

 

 

No, Hagee is the one supporting Israel and Judaism. I'm the one with the dumb questions, ha. I'm gonna come back and read your guys posts soon. Thank you.

 

Hagee, in my opinion, does not support Israel or Judaism. If Hagee supported Israel, he would openly be sharing the gospel with the Jewish people who are children of Israel. How can a person claim to support a people but withhold the gospel of salvation? Instead Hagee discourages Christians from sharing the gospel with the Jewish people by teaching the Jewish people already have a covenant. Basically, Hagee calls all of the Apostles wrong because they dedicated themselves to telling the Jewish people about Jesus.

 

If Hagee is supporting Israel, I think the Jewish people could do with fewer such supporters. We need people who will stand with Israel without denying the gospel of Jesus.   

[Guest DRS81]

Hagee, in my opinion, does not support Israel or Judaism. If Hagee supported Israel, he would openly be sharing the gospel with the Jewish people who are children of Israel. How can a person claim to support a people but withhold the gospel of salvation? Instead Hagee discourages Christians from sharing the gospel with the Jewish people by teaching the Jewish people already have a covenant. Basically, Hagee calls all of the Apostles wrong because they dedicated themselves to telling the Jewish people about Jesus.

 

If Hagee is supporting Israel, I think the Jewish people could do with fewer such supporters. We need people who will stand with Israel without denying the gospel of Jesus.   

 

Wow, wrong, wrong and wrong. Hagee stated in his book that he believes that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Where in the world are you getting your information.

[Spock]

Yes, it is absolutely required of them. This doesn't mean that God in fact does not care for them; nor that He has abandoned them. Romans predicts a day when the rest of the Jews will return to Him (which means accepting Christ as Lord).

Salvation is a kind of spiritual surgery--by placing our faith in Christ we are uniting ourselves to His death and resurrection: the old, sinful man is slain, the new man is raised? There is no other way to achieve new life except by that process.

clb

So would you agree that the 'replacement theology' is false and deceitful.

Absolutely yes! Doctrine of demons if you ask me.

We are all one in Christ. Yes, it is true Israel has been given a partial hardening which has allowed for Gentiles to come in, but no where did God ever abandon Israel and his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

PS. I don't know much about Hagee, so I will refrain from commenting on him due to insufficient data.

[Guest DRS81]

Wikipedia Israel page says there's a percentage of Muslims that live in Israel, a small percentage but still. Why would muslims wanna live in Israel??

[Qnts2]

 

Hagee, in my opinion, does not support Israel or Judaism. If Hagee supported Israel, he would openly be sharing the gospel with the Jewish people who are children of Israel. How can a person claim to support a people but withhold the gospel of salvation? Instead Hagee discourages Christians from sharing the gospel with the Jewish people by teaching the Jewish people already have a covenant. Basically, Hagee calls all of the Apostles wrong because they dedicated themselves to telling the Jewish people about Jesus.

 

If Hagee is supporting Israel, I think the Jewish people could do with fewer such supporters. We need people who will stand with Israel without denying the gospel of Jesus.   

 

Wow, wrong, wrong and wrong. Hagee stated in his book that he believes that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Where in the world are you getting your information.

 

 

Sorry, you are wrong, wrong and wrong. (I can say that too, very stongly.)

 

When Hagee first started to form CUFI, he had to encourage Rabbis to attend and help him. Of course the Rabbis were sceptical so Hagee had many many meeting with the Rabbis, answering many many questions. And these Rabbis wrote articles and what Hagee said to them. I'll paraphrase one such statement made by Hagee. 'If Jewish leaders would teach Judaism to the Jewish people, no Jewish person would ever be interested in Christianity'.

 

What Hagee believes is that Israel already has a covenant. Jewish people should study Judaism and work towards keeping the law. Since scripture says all of Israel will be saved, in the end, all Jewish people will accept Jesus as Messiah and be saved, so until that time, it is a waste of time and money to evangelize the Jewish people.

 

For a huge kick off meeting for CUFI, they invited many prominent Jewish leadership. They accidently sent an invitation to a friend of mine, who is a Messianic Jew, who is a missionary to the Jewish people. When he called the headquarters to find out more information, they disinvited him. They do not want anyone who is dedicated to sharing the gospel at the meetings. As a matter of fact, the head of CUFi is a Jewish person who does not believe on Jesus and this person, David Brog, wrote a book which states no Jewish person has ever come to believe in Jesus at a CUFI meeting, but actually CUFI has the reverse effect, discouraging Jewish people from 'converting' to Christianity. At a CUFI meeting, if you try to share the gospel with a Jewish person, you will be invited to leave.  

 

There are a lot of articles on this topic. Many written by Messianic Jews. Many written by missionary organizations dedicated to sharing the gospel with the Jewish people. And many written by Rabbi's who do not believe, who talked with Hagee on his stance on the Jewish people and the need to teach them about Jesus.

 

http://congregationtreeoflife.com/teaching/articles?id=133&phpMyAdmin=9mFqtWmYfgwjhZQm,Fp9gEn95Zb

 

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/newsletter/february-2007/01

 

From the Houston news paper quoting Hagee:

 

 

“The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses,” Hagee said. “I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.”

“The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not,” said Hagee . . .” (Julia Duin, “San Antonio Fundamentalist Battles Anti-Semitism,” The Houston Chronicle, 30 April 1988)

[Salty]

Understanding the term "replacement theology" is a difficult matter in itself. If one wants to ask the question did The New Covenant replace the Old Covenant, the answer is an astounding yes. Salvation is only through the Blood of Jesus of Nazareth shed upon the cross. He only is our Mediator to our Heavenly Father.

 

This means all... must accept Jesus Christ, The Messiah, as The Saviour to have eternal life. Per Rom.11, we know God has blinded Israel in part (i.e., majority of Jews). Yet Paul said there also that all Israel would be saved. And Paul gave the condition there that can only happen if they do not remain in unbelief on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, Messiah. So when will the majority of the Jews come to knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth as The Messiah without that 'blindness' of Romans 11, that Paul mentioned is upon them until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in?

 

Some apparently forget about the future "thousand years" reign of our Lord Jesus with His elect priests and kings, i.e., the coming Millennium after His future return.

 

It will be during that time when ALL spiritual blindness from this present world will be removed from all peoples. That is when all... will 'know'... that Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ, Messiah. Per the Books of Isaiah and Ezekiel, those who erred in spirit shall come to understanding and those who murmured will learn doctrine.

 

Thus we may expect the blindness God put upon Israel in part (i.e., majority of Jews), so The Gospel would go also to the Gentiles, will continue all the way to Christ's second coming. Pretty easy to see that blindness is not only upon Israel in part, but also upon many Gentiles who reject Christ Jesus.

 

 

Further...

 

Since the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple and Jerusalem in 70 A.D., the Jews have not been able to keep the Old Covenant according to Scripture. When Israel became a nation again in 1948 via U.N. Charter vote, they have since wanted to build another temple and fulfill their belief of keeping the Old Covenant. Today certain groups of the Jews in the state of Israel already have the materials to build another temple in Jerusalem, including the beginnings of the institution of Levitical priests and ability to do animal sacrifices.

 

God's promises to Israel, which began through Abraham, was the promise of great national wealth, great lands, rule of the gates of their enemies, and numbers of peoples as many as the stars and sands of the sea, and also which some forget, David's throne in Jerusalem and one of the seed of Judah reigning upon it.

 

What happened to those promises when Zedekiah king of Judah was taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar to Babylon, when Zedekiah's son heirs were killed and Zedekiah himself having died in captivity? No throne of David has ever been setup there in Jerusalem since. The Jews cannot claim that promise in Jerusalem anymore, even as it still is today.

 

For 2,000 years the holy lands have been barren, only in this century has the land begun to be planted and dressed again by the Jews who formed the nation of 1948, and still not having fulfilled God's promise to Abraham of the much greater lands that he is to inherit per God's promise. Instead, the U.N. is constantly giving Israel's lands away to the Arab peoples. Even half of Jerusalem is still in possession by the Arabs per the U.N. Charter structure over it, meaning the state of Israel is actually governed ultimately by United Nations legalities. The Jews still can no longer claim God's promise of the great lands He gave to Abraham.

 

What about God's promise to Israel of great national wealth? No doubt today's nation state of Israel is certainly wealthy, yet how long ago was it that it had not much wealth to speak of there in the holy land, and how has that been since Christ died on the cross up to 1948? They can't claim that promise for the holy land either.

 

A people as many as the stars of the sky and sands of the sea, what about that promise? 2012 vital stats on the number of Jews in the world was still only around 14 million, roughly 0.2 % of the world's population. And one would have to question just how many of those actually represent the actual seed of Israelites, since many foreigners in the world claim to be Jews (see Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic). So they can't really claim that promise either.

 

What about God's promise to Abraham of ruing the gates of his enemies? Do you know what that means? It means having control over the going and coming of Israel's enemies. It means a powerful military. Did the Jews have that promise in 70 A.D. when the Roman army sacked Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed? During and right after that the majority of Jews were taken out of the holy lands and scattered through the nations, which God also promised He would do to Israel if they rebelled against Him (Deut.4 & 28). They may have remained a separate people during their scattering, but they never fit that promise to Abraham of ruling the gates of their enemies, not even since Nebuchadnezzar conquered Jerusalem and took Judah captive for 70 years many centuries ago.

 

In case some of you are not aware, those promises from God to Israel were to continue through all generations. In 2 Samuel 7 God especially promised that David would have a seed upon his throne unto all generations (see 1 Kings 8:25 also, even Jeremiah 33 for a bigger point on that promise to David). Even the prophecy through Jacob in Gen.49:10 to Judah about the scepter reveals David's throne was to continue all the way up to Shiloh's (Jesus) second coming. Yet the Jews cannot claim that throne of David anywhere anymore since Zedekiah king of Judah died and all his son heirs killed by Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah's days.

 

Have those promises God gave to Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob whom God named Israel, continued in the world? I say yes, and that's where many of my Christian brethren are very lacking in Bible prophecy. For the unbelieving Jews, they can keep to the fabrications of their religious leaders who lead them away from this understanding in God's Word, or they can ask our Lord Jesus Christ to show them, believing on The Father through His Son, and that so as to not be deceived by the events of the last days when the deceived in Jerusalem build their new temple and prepare it for the coming Antichrist to come sit in it, playing God over them and the world.

Edited May 11, 2014 by Salty

[Guest]

Wikipedia Israel page says there's a percentage of Muslims that live in Israel, a small percentage but still. Why would Muslims wanna live in Israel??

 

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Why

 

For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

 

In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

 

But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.

 

Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;

 

Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress. Obadiah 1:10-14

 

Indeed

 

For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

 

For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

 

But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. Obadiah 1:15-17

 

Yet God Is So Gracious

 

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7:9

 

Come To Jerusalem And Ask A Messianic And Meet Yeshua, Meet Jesus And Have Peace

[Love is alive]

 

 

Perhaps you can expand upon your question?

 

I'm not sure how or where to start.

 

If you don't know the question how do you expect an answer?

 

I agree